SOCOLOVSKY: Well, I think conservative churches want to draw lines. They want to say, \u201cThis is what we think about marriage. We are not anti-gay, we just think that marriage should be between a man and a woman,\u201d\u009d and the challenge for them is going to be to voice that and express that in what appears to wider society to be a very humane way.<\/p>\n
LAWTON: And without changing their positions in some cases. So, you know, there\u2019s talk about being kinder and gentler on the issue, but the reality is many of them aren\u2019t changing their position. I\u2019m going to be watching especially this year the United Methodist Church, a mainline denomination, will be having its general meeting, and this is a denomination that has really struggled on this issue because it\u2019s a very diverse denomination. There are people from Africa as well, church members in other parts of the world that are more conservative on this issue. And that church has been trying to figure out what do we do? There are ministers within the denomination that want to perform same-sex weddings, and there are many that are very opposed to it, so how does that denomination try to straddle both of those points of views?<\/p>\n
DIONNE: They are the ultimate big church, or they are one of the ultimate big churches. When you think historically, they have gone politically from right to left. And just think in recent years, Hillary Clinton is a Methodist, and George W. Bush was a Methodist by marriage. He used to go to a Methodist church. They both speak for real traditions inside that church, and theoretically they\u2019re all part of the same church.<\/p>\n
DE SAM LAZARO: But the growing congregations are the most conservative, are they not, globally speaking?<\/p>\n
JEROME SOCOLOVSKY: That\u2019s correct. In Africa, in Latin America, in Asia. And there is also immigration to this country from those countries who are helping the ranks of, let\u2019s say, Pentecostals or conservative evangelicals. In America we sometimes forget that we are a minority on this view worldwide, and some of these churches like the United Methodists have congregations overseas, too.<\/p>\n
DIONNE: It\u2019s a real challenge to be more liberal traditions, or to more liberal people inside big churches, Methodist, Catholics, and others\u201d\u201d<\/p>\n
LAWTON: Episcopalian, Anglican.<\/p>\n