{"id":877,"date":"2007-07-13T00:24:00","date_gmt":"2007-07-13T00:24:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/127.0.0.1\/site\/2017\/2\/1985\/dr_peter_toon_a_discussion_starter_on_tec_property_issues_and_hierarchy\/"},"modified":"2007-07-13T00:24:00","modified_gmt":"2007-07-13T00:24:00","slug":"dr_peter_toon_a_discussion_starter_on_tec_property_issues_and_hierarchy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kendallharmon.net\/?p=877","title":{"rendered":"Dr. Peter Toon:  A discussion starter on TEC Property Issues and Hierarchy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Church Hierarchies and church Property: How some laity see the matter.<\/p>\n<p>A discussion Starter from Peter Toon on behalf of some laymen<\/p>\n<p>Not a few laity in and around The Episcopal Church [TEC] have the sense, even the understanding, that congregations which secede from this Church to be part of another Anglican Province (via AMiA, CANA etc), lose their properties (even where they have paid for them in whole) on secession; and the real reason for the loss is because of the principle of hierarchy\u201d\u201dthat TEC is governed hierarchically, Bishops downwards, and so the property follows this tendency, upwards to diocese and\/or national Church.<\/p>\n<p>Let us begin our reflection by recognizing that the clearest examples of what we call hierarchical churches are the Roman Catholic Church and the various Eastern Orthodox Churches. In these Churches, decisions come from the top down, or from higher up to lower down. In total contrast, in a variety of &#8220;Bible&#8221; and &#8220;Baptist&#8221; local churches, in which there is complete local autonomy in all matters and property is owned locally, decisions are made at the local level and might be carried forward and upward at a convention of like-minded churches; but such a convention is not empowered to rule and does not tell the local church what to do.<\/p>\n<p>In the world of business and commerce, closely held corporations are hierarchical, but public companies are not. Even though in public companies the Board and CEO run the company on a daily basis, they are ultimately responsible to the stockholders, who can replace them if enough votes can be gathered to do so.<\/p>\n<p>In the Roman Church, major decisions of all kinds always come from above. While the Pope is elected by the College of Cardinals, the Cardinals themselves are not elected. They are appointed by the incumbent Pope, who has his job for life. Bishops in the Roman Church are not elected, they are appointed by the Vatican. Priests are not called by a parish, they are sent by a bishop. Mutatis mutandis, the various Eastern Churches operate in much the same way in terms of the hierarchical principle. In the Roman Church a General Council is called by the Pope and reports to the Pope and from Pope and General Councils ( e.g. Vatican II) come doctrine. Laity and ordinary clergy are not in this loop except as the recipients of what is decided and required. And in terms of property, while there may be local trustees, the general rule is that the property belongs to the diocese and that where there is any dispute the diocese takes control.<\/p>\n<p>Let us now return to TEC. Major decisions within TEC have never been made in the hierarchical way of Rome. Bishops are elected by their dioceses. Priests are called by local congregations, admittedly with the approval&#8211;usually in the past, a pro forma approval&#8211;by the bishop of the diocese. The basic structure of TEC is not set up as an absolute monarchy as is the Roman Church, but along democratic lines, with certain limited authority given to Diocesan Bishops, Rectors, and Executive Councils.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/pbs1928.blogspot.com\/2007\/07\/church-hierarchies-and-church-property.html\" title=\"The rest is here.\">The rest is here.<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Church Hierarchies and church Property: How some laity see the matter. 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