Don’t expect one once of humility or change on the part of this White House or the leadership of Congress. It’s going to be “damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead,” no matter what anyone else thinks or says.
LOL Good for him! I suspect that the result was as much a commentary on his excellent campaign as it was on an abysmally prototypical Democrat candidate and the White House’s fecklessness.
[blockquote]AP Calls it for Brown; Coakley Concedes[/blockquote]
Good. Now for the important (and often hard, at least for me) part:
Almighty and everliving God, we beseech thee also so to rule the hearts of those who bear the authority of government in this and every land, that they may be led to wise decisions and right actions for the welfare and peace of the world.
Obama has a lot of anger inside. We’re about to see it. I agree with #1 Albeit, he will come out more belligerent than ever regarding his socialist goals. However, he is about to look over his shoulder and find his supporters shrinking away…..in droves. Just watch.
My town (considers itself blue collar Democrat) voted 2:1 for Brown. There were signs everywhere for Brown. Over the week-end homemade signs began appearing throughout the local area. I have never seen that happen in any election.
I haven’t seen it either (12). In fact, I’d follow many commentators in saying that Obama is cool–maybe too cool–in his demeanor. It’s been hard for the American people to connect with him–as many felt they had during the campaign. But campaigns are much political artifice. Obama has not made it easy to get to know him. He turned over much of his agenda to Congress. He took a long time to make his decision on Afghanistan. Some of the problem has been that many of the issues he’s dealt with were not of his own choosing but were problems he was left with. But still….
Congratulations, #2/11! Checking for results I accidentally got a town-by-town voting breakdown and was interested to see that places like Newton, Worcester, inner Boston, even Springfield went heavily toward Coakley. But there are real Americans in many of the nooks and crannies of New England still. It’s also interesting that to those in their 40s and under, this seems ‘epic’. For those of us over 50, living memory includes a time when Kennedys did not control MA politics, and perhaps it is epic that they no longer will now. Hopefully Barney’s next, and maybe this decisive rebuke to Obaman Washington’s agenda by MA voters on behalf of the American body politic even presages that the days of the Chicago machine’s influence can be numbered.
Obama’s anger? Obama plays politics, but he doesn’t make politics personal. It’s one of the core rules in community organizing: there are no permanent enemies.
As Nate Silver said, Scott Brown is Presidential material. When there are so few Republicans able to invigorate the base, he’s mediagenic, and can ride the populist wave. Since the Democrats have become the pro-banking party, the Republicans can easily ride the wave of resentment.
Tacit’s reference to the Chicago Machine demonstrates, of course, a narrative that holds true in the fantasies of conservatives, but is historically untrue, unless you think Harold Washington was part of the “machine.”
#2 you say there are only two parties; not true, the reason Brown won is because he went after the IND voters who have almost as many registered voters as the GOP or DEMS combined in MA. This is what we are going to see, Independents having 40+% of the vote and GOP & DEMS splitting 50+%. Neither GOP or DEM is going to win unless they get a significant portion of the IND vote! It appears that in the future, GOP & DEMS had better know what the will of their constituents is.
Tacit – the article makes its point with guilt by association. It’s about the doctor’s parents. In my neck of the woods, kids often rebel from their parents. And they often learn to think for themselves. Possible?
This doesn’t pass for an argument, Tacit. Untill you can convince me that the people Obama has actually making policy are communists, your speculations are merely deluded, conspiratorial insinuations.
Tacit, perhaps you can answer a couple questions:
Was Richard Daley a communist?
Wast Harold Washington a friend of Richard Daley?
What was the relationship between the politics of Hyde Park and the rest of the Democratic Party in Chicago?
When did Daley first get to know Obama?
Look – conspiracies are FUN! I know that. I loved the movie Red Dawn, myself. However, I would like to point out that it was a movie. Like Avatar. Real life is a little more messy, apart from what the TV says.
As I’ve said before, if you want to truly understand Obama, you might want to listen to the This American Life episode of Harold Washington. Even Kendall has linked to it. You’d save yourself a lot of mental anguish.
Having watched Republicans perform this past year and the previous eight, I wait with bated breath for all their new schemes to better the republic by opposing everything their ideology opposes and proposing nothing to deal with the real problems of people who work hard to get by. We can be assured that their creative juices will be stimulated by the prospect of government sponsored transfer of wealth to the already wealthy, and the opportunity to devise oversight of the economy very much like the “oversight” that led to record mortgage foreclosures and record unemployment. What precisely, may I ask, has Brown done? (Besides win an election that will have the Limbaughistas and Hannityites and Beckaroons foaming at the mouth.)
Dan (#19):
Having watched Democrats perform this past year and the previous 60 years, I wait with bated breath for all their revised schemes to better the republic by proposing everything their ideology proposes and nothing that deals with getting the government off the backs of the people who are trying to work hard to get by. We can be assured that their creative juices will continue to be stimulated by the continued prospects of government sponsored transfer of wealth to the growing entitlement society they’ve created, and the opportunity to stifle and control free enterprise wherever it dares to crop up through the cracks in the asphalt they paved over liberty with. What precisely, may I ask had Obama done, before a slight majority of Americans elected him on a “lesser of two evils”, rock star basis, without taking as much time to learn about him as they did to pick out a new restaurant, before they placed him in the most powerful position on earth…(not Massachusetts) that had Limbaughistas and Hannityites and Beckaroons loosing their lunches?
Yep, because there hasn’t been any free enterprise, anywhere in the US, wherever there’s been government. Nope. There is not a single company in the US that has ever benefited from taxpayer money. Is that what you’re saying? You see, money doesn’t make people corrupt, but the government does.
When Joseph was paying his taxes, and Jesus was talking about Caesar, they hadn’t yet gotten the free enterprise gospel yet.
Heh – Sarah, clearly, there has already been a collectivist takeover. We have socialized risk for the wealthy, collectivist welfare for the Pentagon, and social Darwinism for everybody else. It’s a lovely system.
Further to that article, it should also be remembered that Ted Kennedy was ” a leader in pushing through the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which ended a quota system based upon national origin[16] and [i]which, despite Kennedy’s predictions at the time, would have a profound effect on the demographic makeup of the United States.[/i]” (quoted from the Wikipedia article on him; my italics).
#24 John….
Here’s the main point: With every government employee that’s hired, every agency that’s opened (or expanded), with every regulation that’s written…a little bit more of our liberty is taken from us.
The vast majority of those people, places and things that are government run are much too big already, resulting in waste and mismanagement at an incredible level, and accountibility is virtually gone in many of those…all of which is way beyond a system that most of us want to spend our liberty on, if you can think about it in that way.
I merely took Dan’s comments and replaced all of his commentary on conservatism with liberalisims. Clearly there is something brewing across the land that will impact both parties that continue to consider the taxpayer trough to be a 24/7, all you can eat buffet. This is sorely overdue, and I pray that the little uprising that started the other night in Massachusetts will grow and grow, feeding on politicians on both sides that do not heel to their employers…us. Dems that want to create the biggest monster yet in the form of nationalized heatlh care will be the first to go.
I pay my taxes, and so I have some say in this democracy as to how they are spent. Joseph and Jesus did not.
Don’t expect one once of humility or change on the part of this White House or the leadership of Congress. It’s going to be “damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead,” no matter what anyone else thinks or says.
The real Massachusetts miracle! I never thought I would live to see a Republican elected to the Senate. We are ecstatic.
The problem with American politics is that we only have two viable parties. This results in an endless shuffle between two poor options.
LOL Good for him! I suspect that the result was as much a commentary on his excellent campaign as it was on an abysmally prototypical Democrat candidate and the White House’s fecklessness.
There have been other Republicans in Massachusetts. Mitt Romney, William Weld. Fiscally responsible, but socially liberal.
The seat was not an endowed chair.
I am shocked out of my gourd.
Shocked.
[blockquote]AP Calls it for Brown; Coakley Concedes[/blockquote]
Good. Now for the important (and often hard, at least for me) part:
Almighty and everliving God, we beseech thee also so to rule the hearts of those who bear the authority of government in this and every land, that they may be led to wise decisions and right actions for the welfare and peace of the world.
Obama has a lot of anger inside. We’re about to see it. I agree with #1 Albeit, he will come out more belligerent than ever regarding his socialist goals. However, he is about to look over his shoulder and find his supporters shrinking away…..in droves. Just watch.
Woo hoo!
My town (considers itself blue collar Democrat) voted 2:1 for Brown. There were signs everywhere for Brown. Over the week-end homemade signs began appearing throughout the local area. I have never seen that happen in any election.
“… a lot of anger inside?” I’ve never seen a sign of this, where did that come from?
Nos. 9 (Obama has a lot of anger inside) and 12:
I haven’t seen it either (12). In fact, I’d follow many commentators in saying that Obama is cool–maybe too cool–in his demeanor. It’s been hard for the American people to connect with him–as many felt they had during the campaign. But campaigns are much political artifice. Obama has not made it easy to get to know him. He turned over much of his agenda to Congress. He took a long time to make his decision on Afghanistan. Some of the problem has been that many of the issues he’s dealt with were not of his own choosing but were problems he was left with. But still….
Congratulations, #2/11! Checking for results I accidentally got a town-by-town voting breakdown and was interested to see that places like Newton, Worcester, inner Boston, even Springfield went heavily toward Coakley. But there are real Americans in many of the nooks and crannies of New England still. It’s also interesting that to those in their 40s and under, this seems ‘epic’. For those of us over 50, living memory includes a time when Kennedys did not control MA politics, and perhaps it is epic that they no longer will now. Hopefully Barney’s next, and maybe this decisive rebuke to Obaman Washington’s agenda by MA voters on behalf of the American body politic even presages that the days of the Chicago machine’s influence can be numbered.
Obama’s anger? Obama plays politics, but he doesn’t make politics personal. It’s one of the core rules in community organizing: there are no permanent enemies.
As Nate Silver said, Scott Brown is Presidential material. When there are so few Republicans able to invigorate the base, he’s mediagenic, and can ride the populist wave. Since the Democrats have become the pro-banking party, the Republicans can easily ride the wave of resentment.
Tacit’s reference to the Chicago Machine demonstrates, of course, a narrative that holds true in the fantasies of conservatives, but is historically untrue, unless you think Harold Washington was part of the “machine.”
#2 you say there are only two parties; not true, the reason Brown won is because he went after the IND voters who have almost as many registered voters as the GOP or DEMS combined in MA. This is what we are going to see, Independents having 40+% of the vote and GOP & DEMS splitting 50+%. Neither GOP or DEM is going to win unless they get a significant portion of the IND vote! It appears that in the future, GOP & DEMS had better know what the will of their constituents is.
Mmm, perhaps this adequately describes the ‘Chicago machine’ I was calling attention to:
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2009/12/obama-file-93-obamas-marxist-doctor.html
Other nations are watching what becomes of Obama’s socialist agenda, too.
Tacit – the article makes its point with guilt by association. It’s about the doctor’s parents. In my neck of the woods, kids often rebel from their parents. And they often learn to think for themselves. Possible?
This doesn’t pass for an argument, Tacit. Untill you can convince me that the people Obama has actually making policy are communists, your speculations are merely deluded, conspiratorial insinuations.
Tacit, perhaps you can answer a couple questions:
Was Richard Daley a communist?
Wast Harold Washington a friend of Richard Daley?
What was the relationship between the politics of Hyde Park and the rest of the Democratic Party in Chicago?
When did Daley first get to know Obama?
Look – conspiracies are FUN! I know that. I loved the movie Red Dawn, myself. However, I would like to point out that it was a movie. Like Avatar. Real life is a little more messy, apart from what the TV says.
As I’ve said before, if you want to truly understand Obama, you might want to listen to the This American Life episode of Harold Washington. Even Kendall has linked to it. You’d save yourself a lot of mental anguish.
Having watched Republicans perform this past year and the previous eight, I wait with bated breath for all their new schemes to better the republic by opposing everything their ideology opposes and proposing nothing to deal with the real problems of people who work hard to get by. We can be assured that their creative juices will be stimulated by the prospect of government sponsored transfer of wealth to the already wealthy, and the opportunity to devise oversight of the economy very much like the “oversight” that led to record mortgage foreclosures and record unemployment. What precisely, may I ask, has Brown done? (Besides win an election that will have the Limbaughistas and Hannityites and Beckaroons foaming at the mouth.)
What a bummer.
Dan (#19):
Having watched Democrats perform this past year and the previous 60 years, I wait with bated breath for all their revised schemes to better the republic by proposing everything their ideology proposes and nothing that deals with getting the government off the backs of the people who are trying to work hard to get by. We can be assured that their creative juices will continue to be stimulated by the continued prospects of government sponsored transfer of wealth to the growing entitlement society they’ve created, and the opportunity to stifle and control free enterprise wherever it dares to crop up through the cracks in the asphalt they paved over liberty with. What precisely, may I ask had Obama done, before a slight majority of Americans elected him on a “lesser of two evils”, rock star basis, without taking as much time to learn about him as they did to pick out a new restaurant, before they placed him in the most powerful position on earth…(not Massachusetts) that had Limbaughistas and Hannityites and Beckaroons loosing their lunches?
19. Dan Crawford,
I agree with 21. upnorfjoel.
RE: “I wait with bated breath for all their new schemes to better the republic by opposing everything their ideology opposes . . . ”
I pray God that this is so . . . at least they will be good for something.
RE: “What precisely, may I ask, has Brown done?”
Well, just for starters, in the past 24 hours become the 41st vote to scuttle the further collectivist takeover of an entire industry.
Heh.
#21
Yep, because there hasn’t been any free enterprise, anywhere in the US, wherever there’s been government. Nope. There is not a single company in the US that has ever benefited from taxpayer money. Is that what you’re saying? You see, money doesn’t make people corrupt, but the government does.
When Joseph was paying his taxes, and Jesus was talking about Caesar, they hadn’t yet gotten the free enterprise gospel yet.
Heh – Sarah, clearly, there has already been a collectivist takeover. We have socialized risk for the wealthy, collectivist welfare for the Pentagon, and social Darwinism for everybody else. It’s a lovely system.
In support of #23, here is a timely analysis of the influence of the Kennedy dynasty from which Scott Brown’s successful candidacy has delivered the Commonwealth of MA:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704320104575015010515688120.html?mod=rss_Today's_Most_Popular
Further to that article, it should also be remembered that Ted Kennedy was ” a leader in pushing through the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which ended a quota system based upon national origin[16] and [i]which, despite Kennedy’s predictions at the time, would have a profound effect on the demographic makeup of the United States.[/i]” (quoted from the Wikipedia article on him; my italics).
#24 John….
Here’s the main point: With every government employee that’s hired, every agency that’s opened (or expanded), with every regulation that’s written…a little bit more of our liberty is taken from us.
The vast majority of those people, places and things that are government run are much too big already, resulting in waste and mismanagement at an incredible level, and accountibility is virtually gone in many of those…all of which is way beyond a system that most of us want to spend our liberty on, if you can think about it in that way.
I merely took Dan’s comments and replaced all of his commentary on conservatism with liberalisims. Clearly there is something brewing across the land that will impact both parties that continue to consider the taxpayer trough to be a 24/7, all you can eat buffet. This is sorely overdue, and I pray that the little uprising that started the other night in Massachusetts will grow and grow, feeding on politicians on both sides that do not heel to their employers…us. Dems that want to create the biggest monster yet in the form of nationalized heatlh care will be the first to go.
I pay my taxes, and so I have some say in this democracy as to how they are spent. Joseph and Jesus did not.