Conflicts between the Episcopal Church and many in the Anglican Communion who reject same-sex unions and gay clergy, [Jefferts] Schori said, have eased in the past two years.
The Episcopal Church is even in conversation with more Anglicans around the world than it was a decade ago, she said. “The conflict has been an encouragement and an invitation to deeper dialogue and conversation.”
Whether the larger Anglican Communion eventually will accept the Episcopal Church’s approach isn’t clear.
“It takes a long time for people’s prejudices and people’s justifications for things we think are wrong to be overturned,” she said. “My hope is that eventually people will come to understand human sexuality in a broader context.”
Really? Oh well. I guess they won. Those conservatives who hold on now must ask themselves, “By staying in TEC (even just as an organization), am I in violation of St. Paul’s commands at the end of 1 Cor. 5?”
Since the battle is over – obviously Schori and company are declaring victory – will the conservatives acquiesce or have they simply become boiled frogs?
Okay, I can understand that “women in transition” are attracted to TEC, given the very large proportion of elderly women in TEC who are currently transitioning from old age to death. However, I don’t know of any local TEC congregation that currently has any Latina member, let alone there being any significant trend. So I wonder what “research” the PB refers to.
Never thought of myself as a “boiled frog”. Kermit rescue me. Of course the Bishop of Utah and the PB are in a state of denial about TEC and the communion, but that does not mean that some of us have a genuine call to stay in and teach. “Boiled frog” indeed. chuckle
[blockquote] “Congregations need to go out in the community,†she said, “and engage people who don’t know about the Episcopal Church or Christianity.†[/blockquote]
Unless they’re Hindus, in which case we have already apologized for thinking about it.
The last two years, eh?
From the ABC: Though Anglican leaders were making progress in dialogue over the past couple of years, he said, “The decision of the American Church to go forward, as it has, with the ordination of a lesbian bishop has, I think, set us back.”
But, hey, she’s always right.
JamesW … visit us out in California (live CA & VA) … I’ll show you a few.
“The Episcopal Church is even in conversation with more Anglicans around the world than it was a decade ago, she said.”
….and far less than a decade ago….here in her own back yard.
D-E-N-…I-A-L because we luv you! M-o-u-s-e. (You know the tune.)
[blockquote] Conflicts between the Episcopal Church and many in the Anglican Communion who reject same-sex unions and gay clergy, [Jefferts] Schori said, have [b]eased[/b] in the past two years.[/blockquote]
So has the money. Notice the cut in expenses compared to budget.
http://www.episcopalchurch.org/documents/2010OctoberBudgetarySummary.pdf
The legal assist. to the diocese is actually $450, 000 more than reported because in the beginning of the year there was a deposit made to that line item.
There have not been as many churches leaving,true as in the past, but it will be interesting to see the overall stats for 2009 when they are published.
Can anyone help me with the puzzling phrase used by KJS, “women in transition”? I had never heard it before. I googled it just now and it seems to refer to women who are:
returning to college
getting divorced
going through menopause
recovering substance abusers
being released from prison
victims of domestic violence
Did KJS mean one of those particularly when she spoke of TEC being particularly attractive? All of them?
I suspect that this is one more example of how desperate Schori is getting, for there appears to be no word of truth in this. Why would she make statements so patently false? Because her car sales are down and her salesmen are beginning to doubt her ability to run a car dealership.
Thoreau remarked that desperate people do desperate things. Larry
This reporter did better than the Boston Globe did (e.g. in its recent hagiography of Gene Robinson) — in that she did interview people and groups critical of the PB and TEC.
Still it’s not real reporting, not real journalism — just assembling quotes from the two “sides” and reporting what they say. A tenth-grader on the high school paper could do that. A real journalist would take the claims of the PB and investigate them thoroughly, probing deeply into what sense (if any) they are true and why they are true.
Much more interesting would have been if the reporter had asked herself why the PB is experiencing fewer people in the AC in sharp conflict with TEC’s new theology. The biggest reason is that many orthodox Anglicans — whether in the US or overseas — gave up on TEC sometime between 2007 and 2009. Since then a lot of groups are now moving ahead to give the classic Anglican witness to the Old Old Story, whether ACNA or GAFCON or whatever, and are unconcerned with TEC.. Before then they were still operating under the belief that TEC could be brought back into the Christian world, and so they were very much in relationship with her… a relationship characterized by conflict and so on, and by a naive belief in TEC’s promises (and thus freshly born outrage for each new betrayal).
Now there’s just a much clearer sense that TEC is just creating a new religion, and thus Anglicans are no more in special conflict with it then they are with Hindus or Muslims or any other nonChristian group. That’s the real reason the PB doesn’t sense as much opposition as she once did.
martin5, the wait is over. The 2009 numbers are out. See here:
http://www.episcopalchurch.org/109378_ENG_HTM.htm
they’ve made a wasteland and called it peace.
Isn’t it time for her to start blessing all the Sister Wives?
#11 – Ah, about Thoreau and desperation … brought to mind is a “Shoe” comic strip from a while back given over to the Cosmo character :
Panel 1: “It is said that there are men who lead lives of quiet desperation”
Panel 2: “But that’s not me”
Panel 3: “My desperation makes a pathetic whining sound”
Could such also describe Mrs. Jefferts Schori’s desperation?
I believe that we have hit upon a new nickname for the PBess: Cleopatra, Queen of Denial.
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