Actually, the listserve folks were not amused at all. Basically, as a dean of a TEC seminary, he MUST support the 815 line and PB at all times, he must not say anything against 815 policy and the PB. If he can’t, then he should not have his post.
Slighty off-topic: on Bishop Iker, the listserve is full of talk about how “fearful†and full of “emotional violence†all of us schismatics are. You know, if we don’t believe as they do, then we have a pathology of “fear and violence†that needs treatment.
Wait a minute, In Texas, isn’t this supposed to be the church where you don’t have to check your brains at the door? Aren’t we allowed to question things? Isn’t this a broad kind of a tent kind of a religion? Or, perhaps he’s not “fearful” enough for a schismatic…
This may have been marked “satire” but it is reality. There are groups of real estate investors / speculators that specialize in snatching up “distressed” church properties, usually to tear the church down and redevelop into commercial or office properties, or condos.
I have a group that’s been trying to get one of my church clients (not Episcopal) to sell to them, arguing that if they sell and downsize and move to a more suburban area, they could keep the church going. Fortunately (or unfortunately, as you might view such things) the church has a substantial endowment so that it can keep running even with an increasingly elderly and diminishing congregation. The congregation also doesn’t want to sell because it is concerned that the national denomination will come in and snatch the proceeds as well as the endowment and dissolve the church. The national denomination has already made noises about re-titling the property to provide expressly it is held “in trust” for the national denomination.
I hesitate to feed plainsparson since he seems to just be taking potshots, but we might remember that the community of Iona in Scotland started small, but made a huge impact in the evangelization of Scotland and points beyond.
Gee Plainsparsons – with the number of TEC Priests resigning/departing and those coming out of retirement to join something they can believe in together with the Trinity and Nashota grads (plus the REC seminaries) I am sure that Common Cause will do just fine. Wonder what ya’ll are going to do with all the surplus seminary grads that will be piling up over the next few years.
#8 and #13–For those interested, Nashotah has fifty resident students in degree programs, nearly all of them M.Div. from a wide variety of dioceses across the whole spectrum of the Anglican Communion (Good, bad, and ugly). In addition there are more than fifty other degree candidates in distance learning programs of several kinds. It is more than incense, arsenic, and old lace. A freshly accredited DMin, and two or three versions of Masters degrees are part of the picture. This is a degree seeking enrollment of 102, as of the last board of trustees meeting. The student body has increased dramitically during the years of Dean Munday’s leadership. So, plain parson, check out the enrolling class at a good standard seminary like say, Sewanee, and you will find that their first year class numbers a whopping 14–and this at a seminary with enough endowment to pay the freight for anyone who wants to enroll. Nashotah’s endowment is among the smallest of the seminaries, and if any readers have a few million to give away, write me and I”ll tell you how to give it to Nashotah.
So, for those who are looking for a great seminary with innovative degree plans for residents and non-residents alike, check out Nashotah. I’m proud to be a trustee of the House and a son of the House as well; I’m proud of Dean Munday, and I’ll compare our finished product in terms of quality priests for the church to anyone.
Brien, Once I would have thought all you say was true. However, I’ve heard Jeff Lee, the new bishop of Chicago (and a Nashotah grad) preach and read his sermons as well. I hope there aren’t any more like him in the formation process there?
Jeff Lee is from a different time and place. Throughout the seventies (I am a grad of 1976) and eighties there was a weakness in leadership and a wide range of graduates and faculty covering the whole scale from orthodox to, well not so much. The current faculty and Dean are orthodox, and students who aren’t don’t stay.
I don’t think that could have won Robert Munday any friends over at the HOBD listserve. ; > )
‘Twould be amusing, if it were not reality.
You are absolutely correct Sarah.
Gloria
Oww!! That’s gonna leave a mark!
I actually feel a bit left out in this. I must be one of the few Anglicans out here that hasn’t gotten a summons of some sort from Dave Beers.
Actually, the listserve folks were not amused at all. Basically, as a dean of a TEC seminary, he MUST support the 815 line and PB at all times, he must not say anything against 815 policy and the PB. If he can’t, then he should not have his post.
Slighty off-topic: on Bishop Iker, the listserve is full of talk about how “fearful†and full of “emotional violence†all of us schismatics are. You know, if we don’t believe as they do, then we have a pathology of “fear and violence†that needs treatment.
I’m glad we have tiny endowed seminaries to keep people like this employed and off the streets.
“The entire student body consists of 44 males and six females. ” Wow. Huge. 50 people.
Wait a minute, In Texas, isn’t this supposed to be the church where you don’t have to check your brains at the door? Aren’t we allowed to question things? Isn’t this a broad kind of a tent kind of a religion? Or, perhaps he’s not “fearful” enough for a schismatic…
You know, if we don’t believe as they do, then we have a pathology of “fear and violence†that needs treatment.
Mmmh? I’m not “feeling” the “fear” here. Funny letters from Munday – and it’s only Sunday.
This may have been marked “satire” but it is reality. There are groups of real estate investors / speculators that specialize in snatching up “distressed” church properties, usually to tear the church down and redevelop into commercial or office properties, or condos.
I have a group that’s been trying to get one of my church clients (not Episcopal) to sell to them, arguing that if they sell and downsize and move to a more suburban area, they could keep the church going. Fortunately (or unfortunately, as you might view such things) the church has a substantial endowment so that it can keep running even with an increasingly elderly and diminishing congregation. The congregation also doesn’t want to sell because it is concerned that the national denomination will come in and snatch the proceeds as well as the endowment and dissolve the church. The national denomination has already made noises about re-titling the property to provide expressly it is held “in trust” for the national denomination.
I hesitate to feed plainsparson since he seems to just be taking potshots, but we might remember that the community of Iona in Scotland started small, but made a huge impact in the evangelization of Scotland and points beyond.
Gator,
Jeez, so The Very Reverand Dean Munday can take a pot shot, but then I can’t?
Go ahead gator, feed me, feed me….
Gee Plainsparsons – with the number of TEC Priests resigning/departing and those coming out of retirement to join something they can believe in together with the Trinity and Nashota grads (plus the REC seminaries) I am sure that Common Cause will do just fine. Wonder what ya’ll are going to do with all the surplus seminary grads that will be piling up over the next few years.
Only very insecure males are concerned about size, plainsparson…
How many were in the seminary where Katherine Jefferts Schori was on the faculty?
#8 and #13–For those interested, Nashotah has fifty resident students in degree programs, nearly all of them M.Div. from a wide variety of dioceses across the whole spectrum of the Anglican Communion (Good, bad, and ugly). In addition there are more than fifty other degree candidates in distance learning programs of several kinds. It is more than incense, arsenic, and old lace. A freshly accredited DMin, and two or three versions of Masters degrees are part of the picture. This is a degree seeking enrollment of 102, as of the last board of trustees meeting. The student body has increased dramitically during the years of Dean Munday’s leadership. So, plain parson, check out the enrolling class at a good standard seminary like say, Sewanee, and you will find that their first year class numbers a whopping 14–and this at a seminary with enough endowment to pay the freight for anyone who wants to enroll. Nashotah’s endowment is among the smallest of the seminaries, and if any readers have a few million to give away, write me and I”ll tell you how to give it to Nashotah.
So, for those who are looking for a great seminary with innovative degree plans for residents and non-residents alike, check out Nashotah. I’m proud to be a trustee of the House and a son of the House as well; I’m proud of Dean Munday, and I’ll compare our finished product in terms of quality priests for the church to anyone.
RE: “How many were in the seminary where Katherine Jefferts Schori was on the faculty?”
Oh dear . . .
I can’t help but giggle. I think this one is the line of the night and I’m envious, RR. ; > )
Brien, Once I would have thought all you say was true. However, I’ve heard Jeff Lee, the new bishop of Chicago (and a Nashotah grad) preach and read his sermons as well. I hope there aren’t any more like him in the formation process there?
Jeff Lee is from a different time and place. Throughout the seventies (I am a grad of 1976) and eighties there was a weakness in leadership and a wide range of graduates and faculty covering the whole scale from orthodox to, well not so much. The current faculty and Dean are orthodox, and students who aren’t don’t stay.
#8 Fifty? Wow. Let me tell you about a guy who started with 12.
Peace & blessings,
Brien, you are from a better time, obviously! Since then, there has been a bit of a theological “donut hole”, even at Nashotah.