The link took me to Louie Crew’s web site. How could you!?
Looking at both resolutions from the perspective of an upstate SC lay person, there is an obvious disconnect between clergy vote and lay deputy vote.
How long, oh Lord must we suffer under such as these? Lord hear the cries of your people.
2&4- That struck me as odd, too. But I know Bp. Frey only be reputation, and people do odd things in these situations. I had an email exchange after the convention with one of the bishops who voted in favor (whom I had expected to abstain, if not vote no) and THEN signed the Anaheim statement. He assured me that he had only voted for the 2 resolutions because they were descriptive. Which in my mind meant he had either slept through the debate or spent too much of the convention in Fantasyland down the road.
I would consider this information to be near final. I am sure given the large number of voters involved there will be individual errors, which is why I posted it with the wording I did. I would be careful to make any assumptions about Bishop Frey before checking with him first.
there is an obvious disconnect between clergy vote and lay deputy vote.
The same disconnect is evident in Georgia. In fact, the bishop and laity voted together, the clergy opposing. Why does the diocese have so many clergy who are so different in outlook from the people they serve. I don’t feel that I can trust the priest currently serving my parish, or the previous one either – meaning, if I were in the midst of a spiritual crisis (discount the fact that being Episcopalian is in itself being in the midst of a spiritual crisis), I could not turn with confidence to either of them. If I were grieving, if I were seeking reconciliation – I don’t know where I would turn. And I know others who feel themselves in the same position. It’s very sad.
The link took me to Louie Crew’s web site. How could you!?
Looking at both resolutions from the perspective of an upstate SC lay person, there is an obvious disconnect between clergy vote and lay deputy vote.
How long, oh Lord must we suffer under such as these? Lord hear the cries of your people.
Bill Frey voted in favor?? Really??
It was a clean sweep for Fort Worth – lay, clergy and bishop.
I’m with Tom (#2) in questioning Bill Frey voting for.
2&4- That struck me as odd, too. But I know Bp. Frey only be reputation, and people do odd things in these situations. I had an email exchange after the convention with one of the bishops who voted in favor (whom I had expected to abstain, if not vote no) and THEN signed the Anaheim statement. He assured me that he had only voted for the 2 resolutions because they were descriptive. Which in my mind meant he had either slept through the debate or spent too much of the convention in Fantasyland down the road.
I would consider this information to be near final. I am sure given the large number of voters involved there will be individual errors, which is why I posted it with the wording I did. I would be careful to make any assumptions about Bishop Frey before checking with him first.
there is an obvious disconnect between clergy vote and lay deputy vote.
The same disconnect is evident in Georgia. In fact, the bishop and laity voted together, the clergy opposing. Why does the diocese have so many clergy who are so different in outlook from the people they serve. I don’t feel that I can trust the priest currently serving my parish, or the previous one either – meaning, if I were in the midst of a spiritual crisis (discount the fact that being Episcopalian is in itself being in the midst of a spiritual crisis), I could not turn with confidence to either of them. If I were grieving, if I were seeking reconciliation – I don’t know where I would turn. And I know others who feel themselves in the same position. It’s very sad.
#7 Sherri2,
We have a similar problem. We are often worried about what might be said in a homily at weddings, baptisms, or funerals.