Here is one:
Re.: “Canterbury reflects on General Convention” (Episcopal Life Online), [this is] truly another indication of the Archbishop of Canterbury’s attempts to put the brakes on where he clearly has no jurisdiction. Why can’t he finally accept that the Episcopal Church has made its choices and respect those choices if it is too impolitic for him to say they are being prophetic?
Br. John Forbis, OHC
Grahamstown, South Africa
We hear from those who claim they are under religious vows of poverty, chastity (the newly defined) and obedience. Do Anglican orders really take those vows?
Those are Francisco vows. Benedictine vows (in whose family OHC is) are obedience, stability, and conversion of life.
That’s supposed to be “Franciscan” not Francisco. Sorry!
But the best letter –
[i]As an Episcopalian who respects all of life, I am disappointed that Episcopal Life has once again chosen to run an ad for lobster boils in Maine. This is supporting cruelty to God’s creatures. When will we ever learn?[/i]
Wait til the writer hears TEC is joined at the hip with the RCRC. Learning is going to be a long slow process I’m afraid.
#4- That one caught my eye too. I’m guessing he doesn’t want an invite to the annual parish venison dinner, either. That may be the next frontier to be crossed- weeding out all the meat eaters in TEC. Then it will be the turn of the single malt drinkers because distilling has a large carbon footprint.
I am a meat eater and not averse to a glass of whisky now and again TJ, but I have never been comfortable with what happens to lobsters, or foie gras for that matter. Venison is neatly killed – and delicious.
D. Hamilton, I believe that I must disagree with you.
The truly best letter is this one: “We are extremely disappointed in your decision to make the monthly Episcopal Life into a quarterly publication with daily information available online.
One comment: Your decision presupposes that everyone has access to a computer and that everyone who is interested in your information knows how to access your daily information. Both suppositions are wrong. There are a lot of Episcopalians out there that neither know how to operate a computer nor have one at their disposal. Therefore, many who are interested in the daily machinations of the Episcopal Church are left out of the loop.”
Big big mistake to cut the primary print vehicle for 815s spewing-propaganda machine. But extremely happy news for traditional Episcopalians. ; > )
#4 Sounds like the writer thinks ENS should target vegetables.
The lobster letter just goes to show that pigeon-holing won’t work. My liberal predecessor (second woman ordained in NJ) happily boils lobsters for her husband’s alumni dinner every year. Of course, I aid and abet her in this act of violence by loaning her the huge pots from the church kitchen. Hmm, usually happens around St Francis Day, too. Oh well.
Dirk
no. 6 i am with you on that. total carnivore but i also believe in being humane. every life must end but there’s no reason to be cruel about it.
Re: the lobster letter – I confess I’ve never been able to eat lobster because of knowing too much about how it’s cooked. Lobsters are safe from me, though they appear to be in trouble in Maine. 😉
Sorry, but I could not “read them all.” After the first few made me completely ill with the narrowness of the average Episcopalian, I had to stop. What an example of being completely self-centered and not giving one whit about God’s kingdom. Lord help us.
I was rather fuzzed with the fuzziness of Bruce E Voran’s clear statements.
Oh, and Pageantmaster, even vegetables have feelings.
Ok, for all of us who don’t eat lobster, what is a lobster boil and why is it so bad?
What’s interesting to me in all of the letters that I read is that none were against TEC policies (except one, sort of, on healthcare bill). Do you think there were some opposition letters, and they simply were not published, or that because so few orthodox remain in TEC, and so few of them read Epis Life, that there were none? My only experience with this was an opposition letter I sent to my diocesan monthly, right after GC2003, along with several other folks I knew who sent similar letters, and no letters opposing approval of Gene Robinson were published, but several supporting Gene were. From that I gleaned for the first time that my church hierchy might not play fair if it was not to its advantage. I was disillusioned and saddened by that.
Nice to hear from a Global South Anglican. Well said, Brother Forbis!
This from Wikipedia:
Troll: 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand – they simply want to utter flame bait.
Did the last comment add to the discussion or was it meant to annoy? I personally believe it was the latter.
Poor AbofC: he screwed up; he trusted the revisionist HOB to continue abiding by B033, so he invited them all to Lambeth. Now that Lambeth is over, he has nothing left to cajole them with to try to hold the AC together. (This is much like Otter talking to Flounder, after Flouder’s brother’s car has been wrecked: “You screwed up; you trusted us.”)
Why the Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans is so important in South Africa. SA is not the USA.
[Edited by Elf]
Billy (#15), I had never even heard of Episcopal Life until I started reading Anglican blogs. I doubt I’m alone. Even now, “heard of it” is about the extent of my awareness of it.
RE: “I personally believe it was the latter.”
Meh — I think it more indicative of the drive-by’s feelings than an attempt to evoke feelings from others.
And in this case, I don’t think of it as trolling so much as “counting coup.†It’s a native American custom that is “a nonviolent demonstration of braveryâ€â€”public demonstration in particular—consisting of “touching an enemy warrior, with the hand or with a coup stick, then running away unharmed.â€
; > )
lLobster boils! ha ha ha ha. I never heard that phrase before. Aas confirmed Mainiac, bring on the lobsters. Great price now! And you who think venison is neatly killed (Great pun there!) you gotta laugh at the innocence. You need to go deer hunting and learn to field dress a whitetail. Precious few deer die immediately. Even a well placed 30-30 takes a while to kill. And iif you think commercial deer die neatly, you need to go to a commercial slaughter house.
As to the suffering of lobsters. what do you know about what lobsters feel and how much they suffer? They are dead literally in one minute after hitting the boiling water. HJave you ever seen a lobsters brain? You qualm like all the others of the same sort, is mere anthropomorphism. Do you think you will be half so lucky when you die? Larry
lLobster boils! ha ha ha ha. I never heard that phrase before. Aas confirmed Mainiac, bring on the lobsters. Great price now! And you who think venison is neatly killed (Great pun there!) you gotta laugh at the innocence. You need to go deer hunting and learn to field dress a whitetail. Precious few deer die immediately. Even a well placed 30-30 takes a while to kill. And iif you think commercial deer die neatly, you need to go to a commercial slaughter house.
As to the suffering of lobsters. what do you know about what lobsters feel and how much they suffer? They are dead literally in one minute after hitting the boiling water. HJave you ever seen a lobsters brain? You qualm like all the others of the same sort, is mere anthropomorphism. Do you think you will be half so lucky when you die? Larry