Unbelievable so the Dio Kentucky is going to wade in and tell its parishioners when to die?
“D)educate our citizens in the need for limitations on what each person can be expected to receive in the way of medical care under a universal coverage program in order to make the program sustainable financially”
I think if the church wants health care for its members they might consider discounted group coverage don’t look to Uncle Sam for help.
So . . . tithing doesn’t fall under the Shellfish Canon? I’d love to see more written and interpreted about the meaning and development of “biblical tithing,” which is only lightly touched on in the tithing resolution. How is this concept discerned from scripture to life application, he asked with fascination, as this resolution takes it right down to signing a la Declaration of Independence style.
Methinks I can also discern in the text, as such committee processes leave their thumbprints, a debate over stating that tithing, for those who raised this issue, should be pre-tax gross income, and to the church only, not including other “Godly work” which can’t be controlled by Convention or parish councils. But they must not quite have had a majority behind that wording . . . this time.
My wife and I tithe, but this would creep me out big time. To be fair, we’re Methodists.
I may have been misinformed way back, but I vaguely recall that many (most?) of the Old Testament tithing texts have to do with giving from ones “increase.” Personally, I don’t know many Episcopalians who have had any “increase” at all over the past two years or so.
Knapsack, Resolution 10 is almost word-for-word the same resolution that was passed at General Convention last year. I don’t recall any discussion around pre-tax vs. post-tax, and certainly no discussion that only giving to the church counted as one’s tithe.
That’s pretty fundamentalistic to insist on tithing and to make committment. Of course, the sacred writ of General Convention is cited: “Additional information, including the wording of the past General Convention resolutions, maybe be found at http://drop.io/GC2009tithingresolution” – but I find it amusing that other General Convention statements don’t rise to this level of insistence. Some sacred writ is obviously more sacred than others, eh? Even in KY.
What is the big problem here? I believe an overwhelming majority of physicians involved in patient care are in favor of single payer. Most advanced countries around the world have an equivalent, with health care better provided and much less expensive.
Right now we have for profit companies where they should not be. I am on Medicare (single payer) and am happier than I have ever been in HMO’s or with private (ho, ho, ho) insurance.
RE: “I believe an overwhelming majority of physicians involved in patient care are in favor of single payer.”
You would be wrong. It is only the AMA who wants single payer [made up of about 12-14% of mostly non-practicing physicians. The other medical organizations are passionately against single payer, as well they should be.
Regardless of those facts, collectivists will support single payer, and those who value free enterprise, individual liberty, and the Constitution will not, no matter what they claim that they believe about “an overwhelming majority of physicians.”
Moving on, my favorite resolution, oddly, is the mandate for the tithe. Heh.
It will have about as much effect as passing the supporting equitable education resolution, and the MDG recommitment resolution, and the healthcare resolution and all the others. In the real world of secular politics the collectivists will vote for the collectivists, and those who value the Constitution, individual liberty, and free enterprise will vote otherwise.
And those conservatives within the Diocese of Kentucky will gradually redirect their tithe to other organizations, as sure as the rain dost fall.
The fact that Kentucky has felt the need to do a tithing resolution and, incidentally, that there is a big push from ERD to have dioceses declare “ERD Sundays” is the most revealing part of all of those resolutions. We already knew that the leaders of dioceses and of 815/GC are MoveOn.org folks.
But the fact that they are ramping up pleas for money in the form of resolutions is telling.
Unbelievable so the Dio Kentucky is going to wade in and tell its parishioners when to die?
“D)educate our citizens in the need for limitations on what each person can be expected to receive in the way of medical care under a universal coverage program in order to make the program sustainable financially”
I think if the church wants health care for its members they might consider discounted group coverage don’t look to Uncle Sam for help.
So . . . tithing doesn’t fall under the Shellfish Canon? I’d love to see more written and interpreted about the meaning and development of “biblical tithing,” which is only lightly touched on in the tithing resolution. How is this concept discerned from scripture to life application, he asked with fascination, as this resolution takes it right down to signing a la Declaration of Independence style.
Methinks I can also discern in the text, as such committee processes leave their thumbprints, a debate over stating that tithing, for those who raised this issue, should be pre-tax gross income, and to the church only, not including other “Godly work” which can’t be controlled by Convention or parish councils. But they must not quite have had a majority behind that wording . . . this time.
My wife and I tithe, but this would creep me out big time. To be fair, we’re Methodists.
It really is a MoveOn.org diocese isn’t it?
It’s not even the party of the Democrats. It’s CodePink.
Re: proposed Resolution 10
I may have been misinformed way back, but I vaguely recall that many (most?) of the Old Testament tithing texts have to do with giving from ones “increase.” Personally, I don’t know many Episcopalians who have had any “increase” at all over the past two years or so.
What’s the logic in only committing to being Anti-Racists for the next three triennia? They want to reserve the right to become racist again in 2018?
Knapsack, Resolution 10 is almost word-for-word the same resolution that was passed at General Convention last year. I don’t recall any discussion around pre-tax vs. post-tax, and certainly no discussion that only giving to the church counted as one’s tithe.
That’s pretty fundamentalistic to insist on tithing and to make committment. Of course, the sacred writ of General Convention is cited: “Additional information, including the wording of the past General Convention resolutions, maybe be found at http://drop.io/GC2009tithingresolution” – but I find it amusing that other General Convention statements don’t rise to this level of insistence. Some sacred writ is obviously more sacred than others, eh? Even in KY.
What is the big problem here? I believe an overwhelming majority of physicians involved in patient care are in favor of single payer. Most advanced countries around the world have an equivalent, with health care better provided and much less expensive.
Right now we have for profit companies where they should not be. I am on Medicare (single payer) and am happier than I have ever been in HMO’s or with private (ho, ho, ho) insurance.
RE: “I believe an overwhelming majority of physicians involved in patient care are in favor of single payer.”
You would be wrong. It is only the AMA who wants single payer [made up of about 12-14% of mostly non-practicing physicians. The other medical organizations are passionately against single payer, as well they should be.
Regardless of those facts, collectivists will support single payer, and those who value free enterprise, individual liberty, and the Constitution will not, no matter what they claim that they believe about “an overwhelming majority of physicians.”
Moving on, my favorite resolution, oddly, is the mandate for the tithe. Heh.
It will have about as much effect as passing the supporting equitable education resolution, and the MDG recommitment resolution, and the healthcare resolution and all the others. In the real world of secular politics the collectivists will vote for the collectivists, and those who value the Constitution, individual liberty, and free enterprise will vote otherwise.
And those conservatives within the Diocese of Kentucky will gradually redirect their tithe to other organizations, as sure as the rain dost fall.
The fact that Kentucky has felt the need to do a tithing resolution and, incidentally, that there is a big push from ERD to have dioceses declare “ERD Sundays” is the most revealing part of all of those resolutions. We already knew that the leaders of dioceses and of 815/GC are MoveOn.org folks.
But the fact that they are ramping up pleas for money in the form of resolutions is telling.