Archbishop [Fred] Hiltz said “it’s very difficult” to predict what the outcome of the bishops’ conversations would be. The next two days, prior to the last day of the conference on Aug. 3, have been devoted to the discussion on the proposed Anglican Covenant and the Windsor Process.
“There’s a huge amount of goodwill here on the part of people but there’s a pile of posturing that’s going on at this point,” he said. “My sense is that in spite of hearings and all that sort of thing, it feels to me like people are still talking past one another.” He said that while in his indaba group he found that people were “really trying hard to listen, to hear from whence the other person is coming from,” he did not experience “that same kind of respectful listening in the hearing process.”
He said that “people are trying hard to get along and to be respectful but I think the reality is that we’re in the closing few days of the conference and we’re dealing at this point with the most controversial thing in this conference.” He added: “People are feeling all kinds of pressure to have their own views heard, to save the communion, to keep it together. Others are under the pressure of saying they wouldn’t act until they consult with others. All the kind of expectations and pressures that people brought to the conference are now really coming into focus in these last few days. These are going to be challenging days.”
They’re hearing from your proxies, Fred:
[blockquote]Everywhere we go here, we meet gay & lesbian activists, receive their news letters or read about their many events. Many seem to be supported by North American churches. They are intent to push their agenda on us. No other lobbying groups seem to enjoy similar access, or to be able to have their literature prominently displayed all over the campus and at the entrance to every residence. They are determined that their way is the only right way and that everyone else should follow. [/blockquote]
At least the Primate of Canada may now understand, be able empathize and to pastor those in his church whose voices are drowned out by his church’s “listening” processes.
I could tell you the chemical content of those ‘piles’ of posturing and its recommended use. But it’s too soon after lunch.
Dear Canadian Anglican Church: What you have been DOING speaks so loudly, how could anyone possibly hear what you are SAYING?
Ladies and gentlemen, how long will it take you to realize – deeply, I believe is the correct expression – that Lambeth is not a religious meeting, but a political one. TEC has treated Lambeth this way long before it occurred. We know that they came with a set of Cliff’ Notes, so to speak; we may reasonably deduce that the powers that be in TEC and Canada met well beforehand and planned their strategy, established the planks in the platform, and made utterly clear the party line. We know they had their political notes with them in the groups and that they read from them, so all liberal voices were saying the same things. In short, the liberal program was carefully orchestrated. Can you not see, that for all their pious words, the Holy Ghost has nothing to do with this? The spirit here is the spirit of the political convention wherein warring pols gather their respective forces and prepare to fight. in another sense, we are looking at a gathering of the capos, to see who takes the fall and who keeps the rackets. At stake, enormous power and, in very real terms, enormous fortunes. TEC has come prepared; they have all the holy ghosts in a row. You have seen it and heard it, over and over. We, on the other hand, continue to pretend that this is about Christianity, but the ABC, who is an old pol and a cool hand, knows better, and he is playing all his cards to keep power and wealth from slipping out of the CofE hands. And so we are in confusion; our power not concentrated, our voices not fixed to a party line.
Read again the con game that Huilz is playing. Is he speaking “truth to power” or is he power, trying to manipulate ends, without particular regard to truth, e.g., what did he say about not blessing ssm’s in line with the Rules, but what are they doing to civilly married homosexuals? This is NOT marrying? It walks like a duck and quacks like a bishop…? The truth, he says, is that the CofE has in fact been marrying homosexuals and therefore…. We must conclude…..
This is truth to power? No, this is political manipulation that he hopes will force those who disagree to accept his political platform. He is blackmailing the CofE! Can you believe it? Is this a don with his eye on the protection racket?
And, people, THIS IS ALL ORCHESTRATED! We are being played and the ABC damn right well knows it. The voting is going on right now without a hand being raised; a bottle of wine and crusty bread, a nod and a beck; no decision is a decision, the vote is taken. And TEC can’t lose because its electorate is outside the reach of any who attempt to stay their hands. Power and money, power and money, up for grabs now now now… with GAFCON is the wings, waiting to change the terms of the political campaign. What ARE we doing? Larry
[b]Hearing[/b] to Mr Hilz means agreeing if words are emanating from his mouth to others. Whereas [b]listening[/b] to words emanating from others to his ears means to nod pensively and disregard.