#2 in case it helps:
This morning our General Synod here in England voted to submit the amending legislation and canon on consecrating women bishops [together with the code of practice proposal for those who cannot accept this] to the revision committee stage.
The official CofE report is here with audio; a report from Church Society is here
Note that no final vote has been taken. What is happening is that draft legislation is taking shape. In a few years time the vote on the legislation will have to pass Synod with a 2/3 majority in each house].
The results of the votes this morning were:
Motion 507: ‘That the Measure entitled “Bishops and Priests [Consecration and Ordination of Women] Measure” be considered for revision in committee’
For: 281
Against: 114
Abstentions: 13
Motion 508 – ‘That the Amending Canon entitled “Amending Canon No 30” be considered for revision in committee.’
For: 309
Against: 79
Abstentions: 14
Synod is currently debating the iniquitous water and drainage charges which have been levied on English churches by some of the water companies, based not on usage, but on the square footage of their roofs!
Later this afternoon Synod will consider Synod member Paul Eddy’s motion on the ‘Uniqueness of Christ in Multi-Faith Britain’: the order paper is here
Links to agendas, live audio feeds etc are here with a link to live audio from the debates
Official CofE reports of Synod are here
Church Society reports are here
Thinking Anglicans coverage is here
The full text of the motion as passed is:
[blockquote]That this Synod warmly welcome Dr Martin Davie’s background paper ‘The witness of Scripture, the Fathers and the historic formularies to the uniqueness of Christ’ attached to GS Misc 905B and request the House of Bishops to report to the Synod on their understanding of the uniqueness of Christ in Britain’s multi-faith society, and offer examples and commendations of good practice in sharing the gospel of salvation through Christ alone with people of other faiths and of none.[/blockquote]
I know that this is off-topic, but speaking of conventions, our Prayer Book revision draft was supposed to be sent out to delegates in January.
Where is it?
What does it look like?
Link?
…or has it even come out yet?
Pageantmaster #6, that sounds like good news, unless I’m misreading the motion. Unlike TEC’s General convention, the Synod has been able to agree on the Gospel of salvation through Christ alone.
Forward in Faith is of course disappointed that the General Synod of the Church of England has today concluded that the draft Measure to permit the ordination of women to the episcopate, with its accompanying illustrative Code of Practice, should be remitted to a Revision Committee. Forward in Faith will continue to argue, as it has for a considerable time, that it is only when suitable and equitable provision is made for those unable in conscience to receive this change that the Church of England will be ready to proceed in this matter and it will continue to support the Catholic
Group in General Synod in its endeavours to impose meaningful revision on draft legislation which is, in our estimation, not fit for purpose.
The Voting was as follows:
In favour: 281
Against: 114
Abstain: 13
Look forward to another expensive four-year circus, with the possibility that the measure may not acheive the requisite two-thirds majority among the bishops, clergy and laity (each of them voting separately) when it comes up for a final vote in either November 2012 or February 2013.
#8 Katharine – yes it is good news. The motion had the support of our Archbishops and Synod. The audio of the debate is available to listen to here
The audio from the morning debate on women bishop proposals is available to listen to here
#9 Prof. Tighe – I think your assessment may be correct. Unless provision is made to enable those who disagree with this move to stay, it may be touch and go whether this passes at all. Even if such provision is made it is far from certain. Four years is a long time in Anglican terms and quite a lot of other things may happen in the meantime.
The take note debate on the Covenant was passed with only about 20-30 voting against per Church Society’s report
There were some good speeches, particularly by the Bishop of Durham. The Bishop of Winchester made a particular point that the Covenant should be open to signature by dioceses, particular in North America in the event that provinces are tardy at signing up.
If the Covenant were open to signature by diocese, that would be a very positive development for some of the “Communion Partner” areas in the U.S. There would be some sense in working hard to try to keep one’s diocese from going off the edge. I suspect TEC Central would not allow such a thing, though.
#17 Katherine,
“I suspect TEC Central would not allow such a thing, though.”
PB KJS has already stated that an individual diocese will not be allowed to sign the covenant. It will be TEC as a province or nothing. Although TEC has already stated that it will not discuss the Covenant at GenCon09, I believe there will be a codification of this stated policy. There is great hope for an individual diocese being able to sign onto the Covenant by the CP folks and the wider Anglican Communion. Unfortunately, these hopes will be dashed on the rocks of reality.
This is a report of General Synod day 3?
I think Ruth only had time to send her journal notes because she was too busy blogging.
I don’t have a clue of what this means.
#2 in case it helps:
This morning our General Synod here in England voted to submit the amending legislation and canon on consecrating women bishops [together with the code of practice proposal for those who cannot accept this] to the revision committee stage.
The motions are here
The official CofE report is here with audio; a report from Church Society is here
Note that no final vote has been taken. What is happening is that draft legislation is taking shape. In a few years time the vote on the legislation will have to pass Synod with a 2/3 majority in each house].
The results of the votes this morning were:
Motion 507: ‘That the Measure entitled “Bishops and Priests [Consecration and Ordination of Women] Measure” be considered for revision in committee’
For: 281
Against: 114
Abstentions: 13
Motion 508 – ‘That the Amending Canon entitled “Amending Canon No 30” be considered for revision in committee.’
For: 309
Against: 79
Abstentions: 14
Synod is currently debating the iniquitous water and drainage charges which have been levied on English churches by some of the water companies, based not on usage, but on the square footage of their roofs!
Later this afternoon Synod will consider Synod member Paul Eddy’s motion on the ‘Uniqueness of Christ in Multi-Faith Britain’: the order paper is here
Links to agendas, live audio feeds etc are here with a link to live audio from the debates
Official CofE reports of Synod are here
Church Society reports are here
Thinking Anglicans coverage is here
Paul Eddy’s motion is currently being debated and can be listened to here – the ABY has just been speaking in favour.
Ruth Gledhill is live blogging – latest reports are at the top of the column.
Paul Eddy’s motion on the ‘Uniqueness of Christ in Multi-Faith Britain’ as amended has been passed:
For: 283
Against: 8
Abstentions: 10
The full text of the motion as passed is:
[blockquote]That this Synod warmly welcome Dr Martin Davie’s background paper ‘The witness of Scripture, the Fathers and the historic formularies to the uniqueness of Christ’ attached to GS Misc 905B and request the House of Bishops to report to the Synod on their understanding of the uniqueness of Christ in Britain’s multi-faith society, and offer examples and commendations of good practice in sharing the gospel of salvation through Christ alone with people of other faiths and of none.[/blockquote]
The paper by Dr Martin Davie referred to is here
Tomorrow morning Synod is discussing the Anglican Covenant starting at 9:30 am GMT. The Agenda is liinked here
I know that this is off-topic, but speaking of conventions, our Prayer Book revision draft was supposed to be sent out to delegates in January.
Where is it?
What does it look like?
Link?
…or has it even come out yet?
Pageantmaster #6, that sounds like good news, unless I’m misreading the motion. Unlike TEC’s General convention, the Synod has been able to agree on the Gospel of salvation through Christ alone.
From Forward-in-Faith/UK:
Forward in Faith is of course disappointed that the General Synod of the Church of England has today concluded that the draft Measure to permit the ordination of women to the episcopate, with its accompanying illustrative Code of Practice, should be remitted to a Revision Committee. Forward in Faith will continue to argue, as it has for a considerable time, that it is only when suitable and equitable provision is made for those unable in conscience to receive this change that the Church of England will be ready to proceed in this matter and it will continue to support the Catholic
Group in General Synod in its endeavours to impose meaningful revision on draft legislation which is, in our estimation, not fit for purpose.
The Voting was as follows:
In favour: 281
Against: 114
Abstain: 13
Look forward to another expensive four-year circus, with the possibility that the measure may not acheive the requisite two-thirds majority among the bishops, clergy and laity (each of them voting separately) when it comes up for a final vote in either November 2012 or February 2013.
#8 Katharine – yes it is good news. The motion had the support of our Archbishops and Synod. The audio of the debate is available to listen to here
The audio from the morning debate on women bishop proposals is available to listen to here
#9 Prof. Tighe – I think your assessment may be correct. Unless provision is made to enable those who disagree with this move to stay, it may be touch and go whether this passes at all. Even if such provision is made it is far from certain. Four years is a long time in Anglican terms and quite a lot of other things may happen in the meantime.
At least you can say things are never dull.
In re: Paul Eddy’s motion, see Ruth’s article here. While the news in re: women bishops is a bit of a downer, this, at least, makes the heart sing.
[url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5711595.ece]Anglicans called on to convert non-Christian believers[/url]
Shocking isn’t it, that Christians might actually want to preach the gospel to all of creation?
Pageantmaster:
Thank you very much.
The Archbishop of Canterbury’s contribution to the women bishops debate today may be read here
Thursday Update: There are a number of ‘take note’ debates today the most important of which is probably that on the Covenant:
Agenda: 9:30 to 11:15am GMT here
‘Anglican Covenant [GS 1716] The Bishop of Rochester to move: 19. ‘That the Synod do take note of this Report’
The debate can be followed here
later the audio of the debate and reports should be available.
The paper GS1716 on the Anglican Covenant being discussed is here. The Archbishop of Canterbury is currently speaking.
The take note debate on the Covenant was passed with only about 20-30 voting against per Church Society’s report
There were some good speeches, particularly by the Bishop of Durham. The Bishop of Winchester made a particular point that the Covenant should be open to signature by dioceses, particular in North America in the event that provinces are tardy at signing up.
Audio should be available later here
If the Covenant were open to signature by diocese, that would be a very positive development for some of the “Communion Partner” areas in the U.S. There would be some sense in working hard to try to keep one’s diocese from going off the edge. I suspect TEC Central would not allow such a thing, though.
#17 Katherine,
“I suspect TEC Central would not allow such a thing, though.”
PB KJS has already stated that an individual diocese will not be allowed to sign the covenant. It will be TEC as a province or nothing. Although TEC has already stated that it will not discuss the Covenant at GenCon09, I believe there will be a codification of this stated policy. There is great hope for an individual diocese being able to sign onto the Covenant by the CP folks and the wider Anglican Communion. Unfortunately, these hopes will be dashed on the rocks of reality.
#16 and #17,
I would add that maybe this would be an issue worth fighting about at GenCon09 for the CP Bishops.