Is this traditional prayer book service meant to make us feel better about TEC after the travesty that took place in Dio LA on 15 May? Interesting that one is listed under ‘top stories’ and the other just ‘diocesan news.’
All of the traditional trappings make this one all the more frightening. When you see a grand show that screams “tradition,” but all the actors are steering the show towards the cliff, you are either watching a stage full of hypocrites, liars, or actors who are literally “Clueless.” I know what is going on underneath those fancy vestments, and it is not “Clueless.”
Thanks, UP (#2). I very much doubt that the principals are clueless either. Wolves in sheep’s clothing rarely are. The slicker the appearance of traditionalism, the more deceptive it is. But I’m not living in Upper SC, you are. Thanks for offering witness as a local observer.
Personally, what struck me was how the ENS report was totally focused on how much of a family celebration it was, with Waldo’s sons playing stringed instruments, his priest brother preaching, and his dad helping administer communion. What a nice family affair! As if Waldo’s natural family trumped the wider church family. Or perhaps for ENS it’s just a convenient distraction (to keep you from watching the magician’s other hand).
But of course, ordinations, and especially the ordinations of bishops are all about the family of God, not our natural families. And the inability to separate the natural from the supernatural, and the subordinating of the latter (when acknowledged at all) to the former, is symptomatic of what’s wrong with TEC.
David, I’m a traditionalist, but I think you are reading Waldo’s family participation wrongly. It was a really beautiful, and the family participation was both appropriate and meaningful. Mark Waldo’s sermon was orthodox and very well done. A nice mix of personal tribute and commissioning with adept scriptural analysis. The new bishop’s father, Fr. Waldo Sr., was distributing communion at the front of the church, and the new bishop made it a point to receive from his father. It wasn’t hackneyed, but really moving and certainly meant a lot to the new bishop’s father. Given that the new bishop’s father and brother are priests, it nicely combined the family of God with the bishop’s natural family. The bishop’s sons are quite good musicians. It did not come off as “hey, look at us” but as a way that they could contribute to the beauty of the consecration. Also remember, the venue was Sarah Hey’s home parish, and they have a long tradition of making sure that things are done “right” and well. They did themselves proud on Saturday.
I don’t know what kind of bishop Bishop Waldo will be. But I’m at least going to give him the benefit of the doubt and reserve judgment until he demonstrates otherwise.
Keeping the ancient symbols while altering the underlying meaning is part of the great deception the revisionists use in leading the unsuspecting faithful on. Hence the rainbow-type vestments, and the stole worn by one woman in the picture, which features the names of great women of the Bible– sure they’re great and worthy of veneration, but the fact that there are no men’s names screams feminist revisionism.
Nice catch, #5. At least two of them are sporting crosses though. That organization has so many rainbows that you’d think Jesus was crucified on one.
Exit question: How many TEC children think Jesus was crucified on a rainbow?
Exit answer: Not many (children in TEC).
I enjoy and benefit from No.3’s Biblical scholarship, especially on OT matters. I agree with him on a number of points that are important, I think, to both of us. But, I have to ask: Is there some animus between you and Bishop Waldo? Weren’t you the one who criticized Bishop Waldo’s phrase “people of faith” for not specifying “Christian faith”? It strikes me that criticism of the involvement in consecration ceremonies of the Bishop’s family (brother and father are priests) as a theological or liturgical fault and an affront to the “church family” strains to find something amiss in what sounds like a joyous and moving celebration.
I have a lot of trust in the people who reported in to me on the consecration . . . and save for the charmless KJS, they found the service very nice, especially the brother’s sermon.
I won’t be reserving judgement on Bishop Waldo, as advocate is, since we have plenty of actions and sermons on the record as to his theology. So there will be plenty of blogging fodder, of that I am confident. But I don’t think even I can judge him on the service.
Is this traditional prayer book service meant to make us feel better about TEC after the travesty that took place in Dio LA on 15 May? Interesting that one is listed under ‘top stories’ and the other just ‘diocesan news.’
All of the traditional trappings make this one all the more frightening. When you see a grand show that screams “tradition,” but all the actors are steering the show towards the cliff, you are either watching a stage full of hypocrites, liars, or actors who are literally “Clueless.” I know what is going on underneath those fancy vestments, and it is not “Clueless.”
Thanks, UP (#2). I very much doubt that the principals are clueless either. Wolves in sheep’s clothing rarely are. The slicker the appearance of traditionalism, the more deceptive it is. But I’m not living in Upper SC, you are. Thanks for offering witness as a local observer.
Personally, what struck me was how the ENS report was totally focused on how much of a family celebration it was, with Waldo’s sons playing stringed instruments, his priest brother preaching, and his dad helping administer communion. What a nice family affair! As if Waldo’s natural family trumped the wider church family. Or perhaps for ENS it’s just a convenient distraction (to keep you from watching the magician’s other hand).
But of course, ordinations, and especially the ordinations of bishops are all about the family of God, not our natural families. And the inability to separate the natural from the supernatural, and the subordinating of the latter (when acknowledged at all) to the former, is symptomatic of what’s wrong with TEC.
David Handy+
David, I’m a traditionalist, but I think you are reading Waldo’s family participation wrongly. It was a really beautiful, and the family participation was both appropriate and meaningful. Mark Waldo’s sermon was orthodox and very well done. A nice mix of personal tribute and commissioning with adept scriptural analysis. The new bishop’s father, Fr. Waldo Sr., was distributing communion at the front of the church, and the new bishop made it a point to receive from his father. It wasn’t hackneyed, but really moving and certainly meant a lot to the new bishop’s father. Given that the new bishop’s father and brother are priests, it nicely combined the family of God with the bishop’s natural family. The bishop’s sons are quite good musicians. It did not come off as “hey, look at us” but as a way that they could contribute to the beauty of the consecration. Also remember, the venue was Sarah Hey’s home parish, and they have a long tradition of making sure that things are done “right” and well. They did themselves proud on Saturday.
I don’t know what kind of bishop Bishop Waldo will be. But I’m at least going to give him the benefit of the doubt and reserve judgment until he demonstrates otherwise.
Keeping the ancient symbols while altering the underlying meaning is part of the great deception the revisionists use in leading the unsuspecting faithful on. Hence the rainbow-type vestments, and the stole worn by one woman in the picture, which features the names of great women of the Bible– sure they’re great and worthy of veneration, but the fact that there are no men’s names screams feminist revisionism.
Nice catch, #5. At least two of them are sporting crosses though. That organization has so many rainbows that you’d think Jesus was crucified on one.
Exit question: How many TEC children think Jesus was crucified on a rainbow?
Exit answer: Not many (children in TEC).
I enjoy and benefit from No.3’s Biblical scholarship, especially on OT matters. I agree with him on a number of points that are important, I think, to both of us. But, I have to ask: Is there some animus between you and Bishop Waldo? Weren’t you the one who criticized Bishop Waldo’s phrase “people of faith” for not specifying “Christian faith”? It strikes me that criticism of the involvement in consecration ceremonies of the Bishop’s family (brother and father are priests) as a theological or liturgical fault and an affront to the “church family” strains to find something amiss in what sounds like a joyous and moving celebration.
I have a lot of trust in the people who reported in to me on the consecration . . . and save for the charmless KJS, they found the service very nice, especially the brother’s sermon.
I won’t be reserving judgement on Bishop Waldo, as advocate is, since we have plenty of actions and sermons on the record as to his theology. So there will be plenty of blogging fodder, of that I am confident. But I don’t think even I can judge him on the service.