She does have two principles that she would like to see followed.
“Our task is to see that the value of those gifts [to the Episcopal Church] not be inappropriately disposed of. We have to recover some approximation of fair market value for properties,” she said.
The second principle “is that we shouldn’t be in the business of setting up competing ecclesiastical interests with Episcopal Church resources.”
She can’t simply give the property to the people who want to leave the Episcopal Church, because that would violate her responsibility to guard the inheritance of the denomination that she leads, she said.
I am reminded of John 8.44.
The inheritance should not be measured in dollars or in property, but in the apostolic faith. Of that she should be most mindful.
[blockquote]We have to recover some approximation of fair market value for properties.[/blockquote]
That is truly a fabulous quote. I would only offer the following even more fabulous quote:
[blockquote] “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.* If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.[/blockquote]
*Note that Jesus doesn’t say anything about recovering fair market value for said cloak.
She thinks money can buy her love:
“She believes that the Anglican Communion will hold together, primarily due international mission partnerships between parishes and dioceses on a grassroots level. She believes that if the archbishop in Uganda or Nigeria doesn’t recognize the Episcopal Church, Anglicans in far flung Ugandan and Nigerian villages appreciate the assistance they receive from Episcopal parishes and volunteers, and the opportunities to visit Episcopalians in the United States.”
“She believes that the Anglican Communion will hold together, primarily due international mission partnerships between parishes and dioceses on a grassroots level. She believes that if the archbishop in Uganda or Nigeria doesn’t recognize the Episcopal Church, Anglicans in far flung Ugandan and Nigerian villages appreciate the assistance they receive from Episcopal parishes and volunteers, and the opportunities to visit Episcopalians in the United States.”
That’s right folks….”They may not recognize us but their people enjoy what our money can buy them.”
She truly believes that the Communion is, and will continue to be, being held together with Episcopal Church money. She thinks it’s the lifeblood of the Communion…..and it isn’t!
I think it’s good that she’s more open about her fear of competition with TEC.
Nice to see.
She [i]is[/i] fearful of competition; she can’t stand the thought, and that’s why she acts the way she does. She’s riding the crest of a wave of power, and she’s enjoying it. I think I understand the ‘agreement’ with the Church of the Word which requires non-affiliation with the ACNA for a period of five years: That five years is the amount of time remaining in office for her, and she wants to accomplish her goal of crushing all opposition within the time remaining to her. Or so it seems, anyway.
Asked if she worried that the Episcopal Church would be demoted within the communion, she replied, “Our job is to be in partnership for God’s mission. The only demotion in that comes when people decide not to participate.”
In other words, she is hedging her bets.
She needn’t do this herself, I believe [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s27Oq5ot0ZI]Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf[/url] is available for employment.
Well she and her ilk have CERTAINLY demoted the Anglican Communion. If she is a true egalitarian she should muss too much about the reciprocation. (Bet she’ll whine, though!)
This is laughable. “Leavers” have been saying for years that they were prepared to pay for the properties. On the few occasions where local bishops agreed to do this (in spite of KJS’ rants), the leavers did so.
The difference now seems to be that KJS has suddenly changed her tune. Now, instead of doing everything in her power to stop settlements, she is promoting them. What has changed, I wonder?
She needs the cash.
[blockquote]”It’s not being run from New York. I would remind you that this legal business happened before Bob Duncan and some others decided to leave the Episcopal Church. It was led by Episcopalians in this diocese. The wider church wasn’t part of it at that point. We didn’t join it until later.”[/blockquote]
Like, maybe, 5 minutes later. I think they became involved in the “legal business” in the Diocese of Virginia a bit earlier, perhaps 3 or 4 minutes after they heard there may be an agreement regarding separation.
[blockquote] She also sees new strength ahead for the Episcopal Church which, like other mainline Protestant churches, has been losing members for decades. It had 3.4 million members in 1960, and has 2 million today. But new research shows three significant groups of people who are attracted to the Episcopal Church, Bishop Jefferts Schori said.
The first are hispanic women, who like the fact that the Episcopal Church doesn’t impose a lot of rules, that it welcomes questions and values women in leadership. Young adults in general value the church for similar reasons, she said.
“We invite people into conversations about the reality of what Christianity means and what it means in different contexts,” she said.
The final group is women in major transition, whether that means having children or going back to work after a divorce.[/blockquote]
How sad and strange it is when the Holy Catholic Church is reduced to niche marketing. A good question would be why the appeal is so narrow. Is this what diversity really means?
And, does anyone know about the “research” that Mrs Schori mentions? Inquiring minds want to know–even long-married non-hispanic old males.
15, it’s a sad sorry joke, isn’t it. It’s not the Christ Jesus died for our sins and offers us eternal life, it’s how many women can be made bishop. But a bishop of what: A sad sorry excuse for a church?
Brien (#15), the research was first discussed at last June’s Executive Council meeting. A study had been commissioned, as I recall.
There is always hope for The Episcopal Church, it could always merge with the ELCA, no difference because the ELCA really isn’t Lutheran.
Ralph (#17). I googled for the minutes of the June, 2010 meeting, and found a reference to 815 staff working on program/strategies for the niche groups Mrs Schori mentions–and the motivation for the work was said to be a report from Kirk Hadaway at the 2010 meeting in Omaha of the Exec C. But, a look at the Omaha (Feb 2010 I think) minutes report of Kirk H’s report revealed nothing specific about research on these three niches.
Thanks for the pointer. I am wondering if this research is actually there or if it has just developed because someone thought it sounded good and went for it in the 815 staff. Anyone interested can check the minutes; I could be just so cynical that I’m not able to see the facts. 🙂
[blockquote]The first are hispanic women, who like the fact that the Episcopal Church doesn’t impose a lot of rules, that it welcomes questions and values women in leadership. Young adults in general value the church for similar reasons, she said.[/blockquote]
Truly delusional. The loss of rules is the reason TEC is dead. As a child, this was a place to become a better person. A woman who wanted to be a better woman came to the Episcopal Church, as I have said, it was the rock upon which a woman could place her family life. Today – Come as You Are, Stay as You Are. Whatever garbage you had become, or were carrying with you when you walked in that door is just fine with us ’cause God didn’t make no junk. Well, I want to do better. Sorry. I would like to be a better wife and mother.
[blockquote] “We invite people into conversations about the reality of what Christianity means and what it means in different contexts,†she said.[/blockquote]
What does that even mean? WTH? Cannot stand this meaningless talk from these people. Talk and say nothing, not one real word of truth. But, that is what you get when you have a generation of clergy who were not properly Bible schooled, but rather all came from other works, jammed in a couple of years at EDS, got the requisite divorce, marched in a few rallys, put solar panels on their roofs, bought a really big cross to hang around their necks and VOILA, priestesssssshood. Queen of the World. Not a clue what is in the book of Daniel, no real Biblical training. None needed.
When is Earth Day?
Brien (#19), I was there covering the event. There was a fairly lengthy presentation regarding the research. I don’t at the moment remember any additional details off the top of my head.
“Despite turmoil, Episcopal Presiding Bishop believes Anglican Communion is stronger than ever ”
Yes, well : other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play ?