(ENS) Reaction to the proposals was swift. “There is no willingness to give us a middle ground, to find the via media,” Bishop Sergio Carranza, assistant bishop of Los Angeles, said in an interview. “They are blaming the Episcopal Church and the Canadian church for all the problems.”
Arizona Bishop Kirk Smith, one of the day’s Episcopal Church media briefers, said that the church will discuss the proposals over the next few days.
Speaking personally, he said he “would have liked to have seen something initially a little more positive and less punitive.”
“Our time together has given me wonderful feelings about the communion, strengthened friendships around the world and I’d like to see us at the end of the conference come up with a common statement affirming what we stand for in a positive way and less a statement that if you don’t accept certain things you can’t be part of the group,” he added.
Diocese of Pittsburgh Assistant Bishop Henry Scriven told ENS that if the pastoral forum “delivers what it promised and does what it says it’s going to do, from our point of view, that would be very helpful.”
“……..a little more positive and less punitive.” Is he kidding? Not one bit of this entire business would ever have come about, and Lambeth wouldn’t be discussing our problems if TEC hadn’t CAUSED all of those problems in the FIRST place! Get real, Bishop Smith!
Serge? If that is, in fact, what they’re doing, that’s only because this is all the fault of the US and Canadian churches. Suck it up and deal with it.
I have this strange image of +Sergio doing marital counseling in the case of an infidelity. +Sergio is telling the wife to give some ground; after all, her husband is willing to compromise and give up redheads.
[i]”There is no willingness to give us a middle ground, to find the via media,” Bishop Sergio Carranza, assistant bishop of Los Angeles, said in an interview. “They are blaming the Episcopal Church and the Canadian church for all the problems.”[/i]
Well, DUH! Who else to blame but the ones responsible!
As to via media …. um, Bish, that’s NOT what it means.
Jim Elliott <><
“Via Media” = complete and utter capitulation to whatever bee happens to be buzzing in revisionist bonnets at the moment.
The article mentions the Panel of Reference. A little history review:
The Panel of Reference was called for by Dromantine in Feb 2005. After dragging his feet for months, Rowan Williams finally appointed the liberal +Carnley (“What’s wrong with same sex blessings?”) and they finally had their first meeting in July of 2005. In October of 2006(!), the Panel of Reference came out with its first document – regarding the situation in New Westminster. The conclusion. It told the orthodox churches to sit tight and accept Michael Ingham’s oversight.
Now we have the “Forum of Reference.”
Oh, of course…I’m mean after all, isn’t being positive THE most important thing? And isn’t it really all about feelings?
Bleah!
#6, you may be on to something. It occurred to me to ask (though I haven’t) the intrepid SF-ers at Lambeth if they can get any background on whether the self-same Carnley is behind the new Pastoral Forum plan in any way.
At least the way the plan is being reported/described it sounds like it could amount to the same thing, which means pretty much a bust, as it seems to [i]equate[/i] the seriousness of border crossings with that of breaches(sp?) of catholic faith and practise by the TEC and ACofC.
I suppose that if it upsets Sergio, it can’t be a bad thing.
This is more sucker bait from the folks that brought you Windsor, Son of Windsor, and National Lampoon’s Windsor Vacation. The strategy here is to decisively cripple support for the orthodox from Global South primates by stopping new “interventions” and putting the existing ones into some sort of holding bay while our friends in The Episcopal Communion go on doing what they jolly well want to do, using all manner of semantic gyrations to say they are not doing it. If this one goes through, the Anglican Communion doesn’t deserve to exist any more, IMHO.
Bring on more “interventions;” or should I say “rescue missions?” Because that’s what they are, and they wouldn’t be necessary if the heretics hadn’t grabbed control of the Church! And they have the absolute GALL to complain?
+Scriven wrote: [blockquote]Diocese of Pittsburgh Assistant Bishop Henry Scriven told ENS that if the pastoral forum “delivers what it promised and does what it says it’s going to do, from our point of view, that would be very helpful.”[/blockquote]
“Delivery,” i.e., enforcement, of course is the fifty cent question.
One thing that the LGBT/revisionista groups will never accept, and simply CANT figure out, is why the heck those stodgy Bible believers just wont cave in and give their blessing to what scripture clearly calls sin. Don’t they know that the biggest, most offensive sin being committed in the Anglican Communion today are those blasted, border crossing interventions??
Call it listening, indaba, yabba dabba doo, or anything else you want. There are two different gospels being put forth here, and only one will prevail. There can be no compromise, no middle ground. Baal or the LORD. Omri or Zimri. Saul or David. And say not “the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD are these.” “See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” If the historic Anglican communion, with Canturbury as its center, wants to remain as a witness to the resurrected Christ, it will have to return to its Biblical Christian roots. If not, rest assured that its lampstand will be removed from its place, and just as surely as David replaced Saul and Jerusalem replaced Shiloh, another will rise to take its place. And what? Even now.
[blockquote]The proposals Handford outlined are destined to come to the 14th meeting of the Anglican Consultative Council (ACC) in May 2009 and he acknowledged that they could change many times before that meeting convenes.[/blockquote]So this Forum, which is supposed to be a rapid-response team, won’t even be formed until ten months from now at a minimum? And meanwhile, of course, the same-sex blessings will continue apace.
[blockquote]”There is no willingness to give us a middle ground, to find the via media,” Bishop Sergio Carranza, assistant bishop of Los Angeles, said in an interview. “They are blaming the Episcopal Church and the Canadian church for all the problems.”[/blockquote]The via media is not and was never an idol. The via media is and has always been between Rome and Geneva, not between Christ and Culture. The via media proper was never some kind of compromise, but reform which takes care to preserve from tradition what is good.
I’m sick and tired of people twisting the term “via media” for their own ends. I’m sick and tired of people making it into an idol to be worshipped as opposed to God’s Word, together with the ubiquitous Anglican “comprehensiveness”. This makes me a modern, I guess, and anathema to postmodernists who love to read their own truth into these helpfully vague terms. I’m sick and tired of those too.
“Their blaming the Episcopal Church and the Canadian Church for all our problems . . . (whine, sniff, sniff. . ). Gee, Ya think?!
[b]The via media is not and was never an idol. The via media is and has always been between Rome and Geneva, not between Christ and Culture. The via media proper was never some kind of compromise, but reform which takes care to preserve from tradition what is good. [/b]
Exactly! It has been invoked in so many twisted ways to best suit cause of the moment.
I am with Scriven in praying that the final edict is inforced.
Oops! Thank you Peter in #15 for the above quoted piece.
I’ve been under the weather and the brain is a bit foggy. 🙁
I don’t understand why they are blaming Episcopal church and Canadian church for all the problems.
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Bob
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