If a male priest is ordained and consecrated as a bishop, with the chief consecrator being female, and the other bishops participating in the consecration are male – would that ordination and consecration be recognized as valid by all parts of the Anglican Communion, including the Anglo-Catholics?
(Where does the PB purchase vestments? Is this custom work, or has Walt Disney started selling miters and copes?)
Back when I believed in the validity of Anglican orders, I would say (as an anglo-catholic ((which I now no longer believe to be a valid position on it’s own… see Newman))) I would have believed that the con-celebration made the ordination valid. Hope that helps :>). The vestments are silly, which is exactly what they are not supposed to be. She hasn’t come far from the oven mitt, IMHO.
Yes, Ralph, most Anglicans see the consecration as a ministerial act in which the Presiding Bishop acts for the whole church, and the historic succession can be traced through any of the bishops who join in the laying on of hands. At Bishop Browning’s consecration a bishop of the Old Catholic Utrecht succession participated and almost all the present bishops of the Episcopal Church can claim that historic succession. And all the bishops consecrated in the American Episcopal succession can claim an historic link to the Scottish church.
Barrdu,
I was GOING to say it sounded like an Orthodox Cross, but after going to the site and looking at it, it is very clear that it is NOT an Orthodox Cross, at least not in the traditional style.
Besides, KJS made it clear she does not have any respect for the Orthodox Church anyway, given the way she treated her mother’s funeral (For those who don’t know: her mother converted to the Orthodox Faith, but after her death, KJS refused to allow her an Orthodox burial), so why would she have an Orthodox cross?
If a male priest is ordained and consecrated as a bishop, with the chief consecrator being female, and the other bishops participating in the consecration are male – would that ordination and consecration be recognized as valid by all parts of the Anglican Communion, including the Anglo-Catholics?
(Where does the PB purchase vestments? Is this custom work, or has Walt Disney started selling miters and copes?)
Back when I believed in the validity of Anglican orders, I would say (as an anglo-catholic ((which I now no longer believe to be a valid position on it’s own… see Newman))) I would have believed that the con-celebration made the ordination valid. Hope that helps :>). The vestments are silly, which is exactly what they are not supposed to be. She hasn’t come far from the oven mitt, IMHO.
Yes, Ralph, most Anglicans see the consecration as a ministerial act in which the Presiding Bishop acts for the whole church, and the historic succession can be traced through any of the bishops who join in the laying on of hands. At Bishop Browning’s consecration a bishop of the Old Catholic Utrecht succession participated and almost all the present bishops of the Episcopal Church can claim that historic succession. And all the bishops consecrated in the American Episcopal succession can claim an historic link to the Scottish church.
Schori’s vestments are awful. I’m sure it’s just her holy spirit doing a new thing.
I don’t know much about vestments other than ++Shori’s look silly. What does the cross with two “cross” pieces represent?
Barrdu,
I was GOING to say it sounded like an Orthodox Cross, but after going to the site and looking at it, it is very clear that it is NOT an Orthodox Cross, at least not in the traditional style.
Besides, KJS made it clear she does not have any respect for the Orthodox Church anyway, given the way she treated her mother’s funeral (For those who don’t know: her mother converted to the Orthodox Faith, but after her death, KJS refused to allow her an Orthodox burial), so why would she have an Orthodox cross?
#5 and #6:
KJS’s staff has a patriarchal cross on it:
http://www.freecrosses.com/types_2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchal_cross
[blockquote]The primatial staff (similar to a crozier) of the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church has the same design.[/blockquote]