And apparently Donald Trump is offering to buy the property at a 25% profit. Good for the apprentice master.
If true, this is exactly what should have happened. It probably would have happened without all the raising of tensions if Obama had not been such a wimp and simply diplomatically and courteously asked the “Project51” organizers to move and offered help to find a less sensitive site.
I’m against showing contempt for any religion by mutilating or burning something they regard as sacred. But where were all these hysterical voices when my tax money was used to dob the Blessed Virgin in feces and give our Crucified Lord a urine bath. Again–fear of Moslem violence sends the First Amendment into paralysis–until it comes limber again to defend trashing anything Christian.
Again—fear of Moslem violence sends the First Amendment into paralysis—until it comes limber again to defend trashing anything Christian.
I see your point, but this was the pastor’s choice (or God’s) and didn’t involve the First Amendment. No government agency prevented the pastor from burning books.
I guess that a Christian has as much right to burn a koran as a Muslim has to burn a Bible. Of course, I don’t advocate either. The Muslim reaction sure is getting a lot of publicity for this one pastor, and it sure doesn’t make Islam look very peaceful.
And, Muslim clerics are going around asking why Christians would want to burn a koran, since it contains so many nice sayings about Jesus.
Well, let’s see. Islam denies:
1. The Incarnation; denies that Jesus is God
2. The Crucifixion
3. The Resurrection
4. The Atonement
5. The Trinity
Admitedly, little things. Adiophora. Heck, an orthodox Muslim believes in the Virgin Birth and the miracles. That’s more than you can say for some liberal Christians. So, there are lots of points of contact between the two faiths, and many opportunities for interfaith dialogue.
Brian — I agree, I wasn’t clear. By” First amendment paralysis” I meant how much against the exercise of the minister’s rights the media and our society is, but how the media has no qualms about trashing or defending the trashing of Christianity yelling: :FIRST AMMENDMENT!! FIRST AMENDMENT!!”
And is the reason for the two diametrically opposed positions being held by the same media based on principle?? or fear of Islamic violence?? If it is fear –we are on the verge of voluntarily becoming “dhimmis:” (second-class citizens with few rights under Islamic rule).
I agree with deaconjohn. I think that the move to burn the Koran was moronic. However, I do wonder at all of the liberal hysteria about the Koran-burning being “unAmerican” because we have such a tradition of religious tolerance and not desecrating the holy symbols of our religions. Yet, it seems to me that whenever a Christian symbol is being trashed and Christians get upset, the liberal media make fun of the Christians and tell them to stop their “censorship” and get a thicker skin. However, when it is a Muslim symbol getting trashed, suddenly there is a great American tradition against trashing religious objects. Is it that the media has no backbone and succumbs so easily to threats and intimidation or are they such rank hypocrites that desecration of only some religion’s symbols is “unAmerican” but that it is open season on the symbols of other religions?
What a Jimmy Carter. The buck for this whole fiasco is stops at Obama’s door. If Obama had sided with the majority of Americans and gently asked the organizers of the GZM to find a better location and then helped them to find such a location, all this would have been avoided and the organizers of the GZM would be seen as conciliatory and gracious. Instead they are obdurate shills for the radicals.
Then Obama encouraged rather than discouraged the lamestream media to nonsensically portray the majority of Americans as radical extremists. This only fanned the flames and raised tensions. Now, Muslim and non-Muslim relations probably are worse than even immediately after 9/11. What a Jimmy Carter.
I am starting think the guy is a total incompetent. His legislative “victories” most likely should be credited to Pelosi and Reid rather than this boob. In foreign policy, he might actually worse than Jimmy Carter.
#3, Well, Pastor Doofus of Gainesville had it all wrong. All he had to do was claim he was incinerating Korans as performance art and our cultural elites would have tripped over themselves to support his “courage”.. of course, the media attention wouldn’t have been there in the first place (there’s no “evil Nazi book burning Christian” angle), were that so, so those same media elites would likely not have heard of the incident in the first place.
I’m with #3. And where were these voices when American flags were being burned, both abroad and here. This is political correctness masquerading as morality. Larry
And apparently Donald Trump is offering to buy the property at a 25% profit. Good for the apprentice master.
If true, this is exactly what should have happened. It probably would have happened without all the raising of tensions if Obama had not been such a wimp and simply diplomatically and courteously asked the “Project51” organizers to move and offered help to find a less sensitive site.
“He has been in contact with the imam in New York City,” Jones explained, apparently referring to God. “He has agreed to move the location.”
I love this dude! God brokered the deal. You really CAN make this stuff up!
I’m against showing contempt for any religion by mutilating or burning something they regard as sacred. But where were all these hysterical voices when my tax money was used to dob the Blessed Virgin in feces and give our Crucified Lord a urine bath. Again–fear of Moslem violence sends the First Amendment into paralysis–until it comes limber again to defend trashing anything Christian.
Again—fear of Moslem violence sends the First Amendment into paralysis—until it comes limber again to defend trashing anything Christian.
I see your point, but this was the pastor’s choice (or God’s) and didn’t involve the First Amendment. No government agency prevented the pastor from burning books.
I guess that a Christian has as much right to burn a koran as a Muslim has to burn a Bible. Of course, I don’t advocate either. The Muslim reaction sure is getting a lot of publicity for this one pastor, and it sure doesn’t make Islam look very peaceful.
And, Muslim clerics are going around asking why Christians would want to burn a koran, since it contains so many nice sayings about Jesus.
Well, let’s see. Islam denies:
1. The Incarnation; denies that Jesus is God
2. The Crucifixion
3. The Resurrection
4. The Atonement
5. The Trinity
Admitedly, little things. Adiophora. Heck, an orthodox Muslim believes in the Virgin Birth and the miracles. That’s more than you can say for some liberal Christians. So, there are lots of points of contact between the two faiths, and many opportunities for interfaith dialogue.
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Brian — I agree, I wasn’t clear. By” First amendment paralysis” I meant how much against the exercise of the minister’s rights the media and our society is, but how the media has no qualms about trashing or defending the trashing of Christianity yelling: :FIRST AMMENDMENT!! FIRST AMENDMENT!!”
And is the reason for the two diametrically opposed positions being held by the same media based on principle?? or fear of Islamic violence?? If it is fear –we are on the verge of voluntarily becoming “dhimmis:” (second-class citizens with few rights under Islamic rule).
I agree with deaconjohn. I think that the move to burn the Koran was moronic. However, I do wonder at all of the liberal hysteria about the Koran-burning being “unAmerican” because we have such a tradition of religious tolerance and not desecrating the holy symbols of our religions. Yet, it seems to me that whenever a Christian symbol is being trashed and Christians get upset, the liberal media make fun of the Christians and tell them to stop their “censorship” and get a thicker skin. However, when it is a Muslim symbol getting trashed, suddenly there is a great American tradition against trashing religious objects. Is it that the media has no backbone and succumbs so easily to threats and intimidation or are they such rank hypocrites that desecration of only some religion’s symbols is “unAmerican” but that it is open season on the symbols of other religions?
Well, now the canceling has possibly been canceled.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/florida.quran.burning/index.html?hpt=T1
What a Jimmy Carter. The buck for this whole fiasco is stops at Obama’s door. If Obama had sided with the majority of Americans and gently asked the organizers of the GZM to find a better location and then helped them to find such a location, all this would have been avoided and the organizers of the GZM would be seen as conciliatory and gracious. Instead they are obdurate shills for the radicals.
Then Obama encouraged rather than discouraged the lamestream media to nonsensically portray the majority of Americans as radical extremists. This only fanned the flames and raised tensions. Now, Muslim and non-Muslim relations probably are worse than even immediately after 9/11. What a Jimmy Carter.
I am starting think the guy is a total incompetent. His legislative “victories” most likely should be credited to Pelosi and Reid rather than this boob. In foreign policy, he might actually worse than Jimmy Carter.
I am glad President Obama spoke up so strongly in support of the pastor’s right to burn his own property.
#3, Well, Pastor Doofus of Gainesville had it all wrong. All he had to do was claim he was incinerating Korans as performance art and our cultural elites would have tripped over themselves to support his “courage”.. of course, the media attention wouldn’t have been there in the first place (there’s no “evil Nazi book burning Christian” angle), were that so, so those same media elites would likely not have heard of the incident in the first place.
I’m with #3. And where were these voices when American flags were being burned, both abroad and here. This is political correctness masquerading as morality. Larry