When you board the wrong plane trying to differentiate by running down the aisle in the opposite direction is meaningless. You’re still going to end up in the wrong place.
How wonderful, then, that the Diocese of SC is not on a plane but here on solid ground, a part of a very bad and corrupt and heretical organization, and forging their own path of rather obvious and distinct differentiation! ; > )
Kind of like . . . you know . . . . being an *American* these days.
Unless . . . Bill McGovern also likens being an American citizen to “being on the wrong plane headed in the wrong direction” which means, I assume, that Bill McGovern has rightly transferred his citizenship elsewhere.
Sarah, the line, slightly altered, comes from Dietrich Bonhoeffer, when he left the Reich Church and joined the Confessing Church. I suppose there was then a clever person who asked whether he transfered his German citizinship. Comparing the Kingdom of God with American citizenship is a bit of a stretch.
RE: “Comparing the Kingdom of God with American citizenship is a bit of a stretch.”
Right — so why you are comparing the Kingdom of God to an airplane I have no idea.
The Diocese of SC is going in an excellent direction and I expect they will end up just in the right place, God helping them. And they will do that, I hope, despite the larger organization in which they reside.
I do NOT understand why Mrs Schori thinks she can make peace and reconciliation while virtually waving a sabre in front of people’s faces. All I can say is if this is an indication of her interpresonal and child-rearing methods I’m glad I have never met her, and that I had the mom God gave me (we almost always have to struggle with recapitulating our family of origin in our new family – oh! Gene did that too, didn’t he? Broke up his family so he could follow his passions, and then did the same thing with TEC and the Anglican Communion).
Schorri has taken her very public shot across the good bishop’s bow. And the good bishop will keep his diocese on the present course. Yes, they are differentiating themselves and their tenure within TEC is now short because TEC can allow no differentiaiton. I strongly suspect formal charges will be brought against Bp. Lawrence in the not distant future, 2011 I suspect. The persecution against S. C. will be the “victory” that marginalizes TEC forever and seals their end as a great church. The great diocese of S.C. will take their hits and be about their mission in due time. One can only resist the red tide sweeping through TEC for so long. The other Communion Partner Dioceses will support them (even if silently) and find the TEC gestapo at their door in their time. There is no turning this tide.
Me doubts that+Mark will not have the option of staying in TEC after this weekend. In my devious mind I see Her Most Reverendship firing up the title 4 machinery as we speak. Her kangaroo is warming up for abandonment of communion court. Tthis will leave DSC no choice but to secede, reelect +Mark as bishop and join ACNA a la Pittsburg. I hope I am wrong.
YIC,
NW Bob
Whoops! I tried to do #12 from my cell phone. Me doubts that+Mark will have the option of staying in TEC after this weekend. …
At the end of my comment tack on: HMR will declare a rump Diocese of SC and install one of her lackeys as Bishop. She will file several nuisance law suits just to chew up time and money. A few congregations will swear fealty. We will end up as with Pittsburg. I double hope I am wrong.
Sorrowfully yours,
NW Bob
NW Bob–Don’t blame Lawrence when it happens (not “if” it happens). It has been a dead certainty that KJS would depose him since the day he was elected. The ONLY reason she hasn’t done it before now is because the SC Supreme Court has ruled she can’t have the property.
Does anyone know the size of the congregation at Grace church?
I was at the meeting as a delegate. All resolutions passed by an overwhelming majority. Those that required a vote by orders all had close to 80% approval. Only Grace, St Stevens, Charleston, a very small congregation in Hilton Head, another small one at Pawley’s Island, and several missions dissented. The folks at Grace and St Stevens were quite vocal, but definitely in the minority.
Even Christ the King, which is the “loyalist” congregation in Pawleys that grew out of All Saints voted for the resolutions.
The ENS article suggests that there is more dissent than there actually is.
Also, drumbeat that “SC is leaving the Episcopal Church” is getting tiresome. Bishop Lawrence has repeatedly said we are not leaving. Why should we? In this diocese we [b] are [/b] the Episcopal Church. The Red Queen has no power here.
Dear South Carolina:
Secede.
Wow, that ENS article borders on muckraking. That’s a new low in spin, even for the ENS.
Dear South Carolina: Continue to stay in TEC and watch liberal heads twirl wildly over your differentiation.
; > )
When you board the wrong plane trying to differentiate by running down the aisle in the opposite direction is meaningless. You’re still going to end up in the wrong place.
How wonderful, then, that the Diocese of SC is not on a plane but here on solid ground, a part of a very bad and corrupt and heretical organization, and forging their own path of rather obvious and distinct differentiation! ; > )
Kind of like . . . you know . . . . being an *American* these days.
Unless . . . Bill McGovern also likens being an American citizen to “being on the wrong plane headed in the wrong direction” which means, I assume, that Bill McGovern has rightly transferred his citizenship elsewhere.
Sarah, the line, slightly altered, comes from Dietrich Bonhoeffer, when he left the Reich Church and joined the Confessing Church. I suppose there was then a clever person who asked whether he transfered his German citizinship. Comparing the Kingdom of God with American citizenship is a bit of a stretch.
Yellow journalism, prejudiced in the extreme. The author should be ashamed.
RE: “Comparing the Kingdom of God with American citizenship is a bit of a stretch.”
Right — so why you are comparing the Kingdom of God to an airplane I have no idea.
The Diocese of SC is going in an excellent direction and I expect they will end up just in the right place, God helping them. And they will do that, I hope, despite the larger organization in which they reside.
Sarah and Bill–Comparing TEC to the Kingdom of God is even more of a stretch.
I do NOT understand why Mrs Schori thinks she can make peace and reconciliation while virtually waving a sabre in front of people’s faces. All I can say is if this is an indication of her interpresonal and child-rearing methods I’m glad I have never met her, and that I had the mom God gave me (we almost always have to struggle with recapitulating our family of origin in our new family – oh! Gene did that too, didn’t he? Broke up his family so he could follow his passions, and then did the same thing with TEC and the Anglican Communion).
Schorri has taken her very public shot across the good bishop’s bow. And the good bishop will keep his diocese on the present course. Yes, they are differentiating themselves and their tenure within TEC is now short because TEC can allow no differentiaiton. I strongly suspect formal charges will be brought against Bp. Lawrence in the not distant future, 2011 I suspect. The persecution against S. C. will be the “victory” that marginalizes TEC forever and seals their end as a great church. The great diocese of S.C. will take their hits and be about their mission in due time. One can only resist the red tide sweeping through TEC for so long. The other Communion Partner Dioceses will support them (even if silently) and find the TEC gestapo at their door in their time. There is no turning this tide.
Me doubts that+Mark will not have the option of staying in TEC after this weekend. In my devious mind I see Her Most Reverendship firing up the title 4 machinery as we speak. Her kangaroo is warming up for abandonment of communion court. Tthis will leave DSC no choice but to secede, reelect +Mark as bishop and join ACNA a la Pittsburg. I hope I am wrong.
YIC,
NW Bob
Whoops! I tried to do #12 from my cell phone. Me doubts that+Mark will have the option of staying in TEC after this weekend. …
At the end of my comment tack on: HMR will declare a rump Diocese of SC and install one of her lackeys as Bishop. She will file several nuisance law suits just to chew up time and money. A few congregations will swear fealty. We will end up as with Pittsburg. I double hope I am wrong.
Sorrowfully yours,
NW Bob
NW Bob–Don’t blame Lawrence when it happens (not “if” it happens). It has been a dead certainty that KJS would depose him since the day he was elected. The ONLY reason she hasn’t done it before now is because the SC Supreme Court has ruled she can’t have the property.
Does anyone know the size of the congregation at Grace church?
I was at the meeting as a delegate. All resolutions passed by an overwhelming majority. Those that required a vote by orders all had close to 80% approval. Only Grace, St Stevens, Charleston, a very small congregation in Hilton Head, another small one at Pawley’s Island, and several missions dissented. The folks at Grace and St Stevens were quite vocal, but definitely in the minority.
Even Christ the King, which is the “loyalist” congregation in Pawleys that grew out of All Saints voted for the resolutions.
The ENS article suggests that there is more dissent than there actually is.
Also, drumbeat that “SC is leaving the Episcopal Church” is getting tiresome. Bishop Lawrence has repeatedly said we are not leaving. Why should we? In this diocese we [b] are [/b] the Episcopal Church. The Red Queen has no power here.
WestJ, you are exactly right. The Red Queen will probably try, though.