So we learn that +Minns was present at Lambeth 1998 helping ++Akinola et al. frame their arguments. It looks as if the plan was already forming for an alternative in America. For an analysis of +Minn’s rewriting of recent history see Mark Harris’ deconstruction at Preludium: http://anglicanfuture.blogspot.com/.
I love +Martyn’s focus on worship as being so central to the identity and image of CANA. Awesome. I remember when he first came to Truro, he did a six or eight week sermon series on worship. It was excellent, and during his tenure at Truro, glorious worship indeed became something Truro was known for. I’m glad he’s kept that focus in his ministry as bishop.
I also appreciate Martyn’s honesty in acknowledging some of the huge challenges CANA faces, especially in terms of different prayer books, worship styles, and ecclesiology (and of course, women’s ordination). It’s a good reminder for how we need to be praying during CANA’s council today, and also in the weeks and months ahead.
Thanks for posting this Kendall. I’m so glad Martyn and CANA made it available so quickly. It’s really helpful for those of us who are praying for the gathering in No. VA today.
Given that CANA is newly formed, and would not have been formed without the help, prayers and spiritual oversight from +Peter Akinola, I think that CANA really ought to start out, fully in agreement with Nigeria on the matter of WO.
If Nigeria ordains women as deacons, then CANA ought to do the same. If Nigeria does NOT ordain women as priests, then CANA ought not do that either.
If WO ultimately is fully accepted by Nigeria and the wider AC in the fullness of discerment, then let it happen then. It ought to only occur if and only if, the entirety of the province, comes to accept the step as a good a valid thing to do.
This whole mess has come about by politically active interest groups in a few provinces, acting unilatterally and without the consensus of their own province, never mind the wider communion. I do not think it a good idea for CANA to start off their existance, with the same penchant for individual regional preferences, trumping the wider belief.
For the rest of it, +Martyn’s address is wonderful, Christ centered and obviously, fully based in Scripture. CANA is blessed by all their good and orthodox leaders as well as all the good and orthodox parishioners and disciples.
4. Scotsreb wrote:
[blockquote] Given that CANA is newly formed, and would not have been formed without the help, prayers and spiritual oversight from +Peter Akinola, I think that CANA really ought to start out, fully in agreement with Nigeria on the matter of WO.
If Nigeria ordains women as deacons, then CANA ought to do the same. If Nigeria does NOT ordain women as priests, then CANA ought not do that either.[/blockquote]
This over-simplifies CANA’s formation and our relationship with our Nigerian brothers and leaders. Of preexisting churches that came under CANA jurisdiction, some did not ordain women priests, and some already had ordained women priests. The agreement with the Church of Nigeria is not that we simply go off and do our own thing, but that we start in the least disruptive means possible. The church of Nigeria has agreed that this is not a Gospel-level issue and that our situation may be different from theirs in Africa. Forming a group charged with studying the issue and arriving at a conclusion is not being done in isolation from the Church of Nigeria, but is part of how we intend to operate as a part of the Church of Nigeria. Although I say this as a mere pew-sitter, even in my role as a parishioner, I have sufficient trust and awareness of how CANA and Nigerian leadership operate to be confident that this will be worked out carefully, prayerfully and with wisdom.
Here’s a recent interview with Bishop Minns on AnglicanTV.
So we learn that +Minns was present at Lambeth 1998 helping ++Akinola et al. frame their arguments. It looks as if the plan was already forming for an alternative in America. For an analysis of +Minn’s rewriting of recent history see Mark Harris’ deconstruction at Preludium: http://anglicanfuture.blogspot.com/.
I love +Martyn’s focus on worship as being so central to the identity and image of CANA. Awesome. I remember when he first came to Truro, he did a six or eight week sermon series on worship. It was excellent, and during his tenure at Truro, glorious worship indeed became something Truro was known for. I’m glad he’s kept that focus in his ministry as bishop.
I also appreciate Martyn’s honesty in acknowledging some of the huge challenges CANA faces, especially in terms of different prayer books, worship styles, and ecclesiology (and of course, women’s ordination). It’s a good reminder for how we need to be praying during CANA’s council today, and also in the weeks and months ahead.
Thanks for posting this Kendall. I’m so glad Martyn and CANA made it available so quickly. It’s really helpful for those of us who are praying for the gathering in No. VA today.
Given that CANA is newly formed, and would not have been formed without the help, prayers and spiritual oversight from +Peter Akinola, I think that CANA really ought to start out, fully in agreement with Nigeria on the matter of WO.
If Nigeria ordains women as deacons, then CANA ought to do the same. If Nigeria does NOT ordain women as priests, then CANA ought not do that either.
If WO ultimately is fully accepted by Nigeria and the wider AC in the fullness of discerment, then let it happen then. It ought to only occur if and only if, the entirety of the province, comes to accept the step as a good a valid thing to do.
This whole mess has come about by politically active interest groups in a few provinces, acting unilatterally and without the consensus of their own province, never mind the wider communion. I do not think it a good idea for CANA to start off their existance, with the same penchant for individual regional preferences, trumping the wider belief.
For the rest of it, +Martyn’s address is wonderful, Christ centered and obviously, fully based in Scripture. CANA is blessed by all their good and orthodox leaders as well as all the good and orthodox parishioners and disciples.
RE: “So we learn that +Minns was present at Lambeth 1998 helping ++Akinola et al. frame their arguments.”
How dreadful.
Political activists of all sorts should nevah nevah nevah be allowed at any meetings of the Anglican Communion, as well as ECUSA.
4. Scotsreb wrote:
[blockquote] Given that CANA is newly formed, and would not have been formed without the help, prayers and spiritual oversight from +Peter Akinola, I think that CANA really ought to start out, fully in agreement with Nigeria on the matter of WO.
If Nigeria ordains women as deacons, then CANA ought to do the same. If Nigeria does NOT ordain women as priests, then CANA ought not do that either.[/blockquote]
This over-simplifies CANA’s formation and our relationship with our Nigerian brothers and leaders. Of preexisting churches that came under CANA jurisdiction, some did not ordain women priests, and some already had ordained women priests. The agreement with the Church of Nigeria is not that we simply go off and do our own thing, but that we start in the least disruptive means possible. The church of Nigeria has agreed that this is not a Gospel-level issue and that our situation may be different from theirs in Africa. Forming a group charged with studying the issue and arriving at a conclusion is not being done in isolation from the Church of Nigeria, but is part of how we intend to operate as a part of the Church of Nigeria. Although I say this as a mere pew-sitter, even in my role as a parishioner, I have sufficient trust and awareness of how CANA and Nigerian leadership operate to be confident that this will be worked out carefully, prayerfully and with wisdom.