BBC Radio Four Today Programme Audio Segment–Gender 'doesn't matter' in marriage

Herewith the BBC blurb:

Religious groups should be allowed to conduct civil partnerships in their place of worship should they wish, according to expected government proposals. Reverend Colin Coward, of the pressure group Changing Attitudes and the Reverend Rod Thomas, from the evangelical group Reform, debate whether this should happen.

Listen to it all (just over 5 3/4 minutes).