(The story about this letter was first posted on the blog yesterday).
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And just exactly what is “British decency?”
Hardly an impressive list. One suffragan, three deans and some retired bishops. Only newsworthy if one is looking to make news!
British decency my dear #1? If you have to ask you don’t have a chance of exercising it.
Oh?
RE: “If you have to ask you don’t have a chance of exercising it.”
I should think not, considering that Cennydd13 isn’t British.
wvparson, Sort of the “Chicago Consultation” of GB, eh?
Usual old has-beens and ne’er-do-wells. Wonder why Tricky Nicky or the Pink Dean of St Paul’s didn’t sign it – might be too much trouble from the Sudanese or +London to put up with I suppose?
#4 Oh Sarah – Cennydd13 is Welsh, really very very Welsh, as you will see from the abundant consonants [why use one when you can have two?] Yes, he is definitely Welsh; except that is for when he is being American.
Actually it’s very Gaelic. And the consonants are not pronounced! That’s whats makes Scots, Irish and Welsh Gaelic so much fun. The bottom line is that we Celts can throw a great party–water of life (uisce beatha) and all that.
‘We believe that does not adequately reflect the range of opinion’..
and in one sentence is highlighted the problem within Anglicanism. It all boils down to personal opinion in the end for there is no central authority or doctrine
Not at all #9RPP
One suffragan twit and a clutch of grumpy old men does not negate the foundation of the Anglican way embedded in the Gospel and under the headship of Christ any more than a bunch of US nuns or a former bishop in Africa negates the Roman Catholic Church. That is not to say that all Anglicans say with their lips what they believe in their heart; but then neither do all Catholics, including quite a lot of Catholic bishops who are just biding their time.
2 & 10-
Yes, one is assured that the discipline of these wayward clergy will be immediate and forthcoming from their respective diocesans, and that an official statement will be issued by the CoE’s HoB within the coming hours correcting the numerous theological and ecclesiological errors in this missive.
Or not.
Given that the English HoB met on this a year or two ago, and was unable to produce a statement, much to the consternation of the ABoC. So I am going with “or not.” As long as you support women bishops, you can believe whatever you want to believe in the CoE.
[b]8. Br. Michael[/b],
You are correct that [i]Cennydd[/i] is a very Gaelic name, although I would humbly suggest that the consonants [b]are pronounced[/b], although not as most speakers of English might assume.
Unlike English the Gaelic languages are highly inflected, which simply means that their pronunciation at both the beginning and end of a word changes systematically depending upon its grammatical usage (its [i]grammatical case[/i]). Those with some Latin, which is an inflected language, although not a highly inflected one, should be somewhat familiar with the term, and it is the grammatical case which deteremines when one uses the English pronoun [i]who[/i], and when one uses [i]whom[/i].
[i]Cennydd[/i] is the Welsh Gaelic spelling of the name Kenneth. The Celtic languages were purely oral, that is to say they were not written languages, until early Christian missionaries in the Roman Empire came into contact with them, evangelized them and needed to provide them with written Bibles, gospels, etc., analogous to Sts. Cyril and Methodius, but adapting the usage of the Roman alphabet to capture the pronunciations of Celtic words, altering the spelling by the use of additional Roman letters to symbolize the inflections. At least that is what I have been given to understand through my reading. And there are differences between Scots, Irish, Welsh, and continental Gaelic spellings, although I believe that they all use the Roman alphabet.
And you are most certainly and absolutely correct about the [i]uisge beatha[/i]!
[i]Pax et bonum[/i],
Keith Töpfer
P.S. Are you aware that St. Paul wrote a letter to a Gaelic nation? It is found in the Bible—his Letter to the Galatians, located in what is now central Turkey.
#12: Celtic rather than Gaelic, I would have thought. The Celts were pretty widespread, including Gaul and Galicia in Spain (also the home of the Celtiberi).
[b]13. Clarin[/b],
You are correct—my failure to proofread thoroughly, for which I stand corrected. That having been said, the Gaels are, when all is said and done, Celts. And Celtic-controlled territories extended at their known past locations, from central Turkey north and west as far as the Rhine, the British Isles, and Iberia and in southern Europe into Italy, defeating Rome in, IIRC, the third century B.C. and settling well south of Rome.
Although I am unsure whether they actually settled in Greece, it is recorded history that they met the Greeks in battle. The Greeks recorded the meeting, and because those records exist we know with some certainty that the NBA team in Boston (Celtics) and the football ([i]i.e[/i]., soccer) team in Glasgow (Glasgow Celtic), mispronounce their own teams’ names. The Greeks spelt the name their opponents called themselves not with sigma (Σ), but with Kappa (Κ).
[i]Pax et bonum[/i],
Keith Töpfer